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the truth will set you free

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer game changer

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and now your host the captain of

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conspiracy the prince of paranormal this

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ain't your daddy's radio network show

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83 days into the new year 282

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studios right here in burbank california

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truth funders do you have a book an

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what is cracking everybody

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let's get this show cracking

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that was the kraken intro from space boy

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thank you space boy big proud salute

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to the men and women in uniform all

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around the world fighting the good fight

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for us

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for without them there is no me there is

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no you there is no us and you couldn't

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i really

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how you doing

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mantra for this week

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i feel guilty let me type that

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that's official you can use it

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you can use it this is fade to black

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that's right dr link katai will be with

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i'm going to talk a little contact in

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so method is listening right now so

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method get that banner up

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all right contact in the desert we

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announced another four winners last

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night actually five one from last week

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thing i need to drive home to all of you

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send us an email let us know that you

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somehow and i understand if you can't

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make it you enter the contest and you're

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it's not that big of a deal if he can't

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breaking news

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the premiere for season two

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eastern and pacific 10 10 p.m 10 p.m

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jimmy please help us get the word out

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with this change we now have the

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check that out hanger one history

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all of you fader knots

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hey hey hey whoa whoa are we gonna have

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somebody popped that in twitter right

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now i want to see it by the way you can

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follow us on twitter at jchurchradio

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that's what you want to do hashtag f2b

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i'm going to throw lesso under the bus

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right before the show les is calling

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brock 55 years old weird science

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what does he do now he hosts like family

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feud or something

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louis anderson made made the cut because

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of his one line that he did

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that's when you make the big bucks

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louie anderson 62 years old our dead

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harry houdini

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so many great movies but

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the great escape number one

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the car chase in bullet

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quite possibly the greatest chase scene

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ever in the history of cinema will never

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ever

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be topped

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and

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are all of you faders sitting down all

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you faded out sitting down remember our

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show the other night fader night last

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last thursday

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sat there and talked about cartoons and

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breakfast cereal all night and then i

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have this today

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cowinky dink

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kind of weird

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today joseph barbara

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it's his birthday

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lived for

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95 years

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joseph

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barbara

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animator director

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cartoon and storyboard artist who

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created amongst others

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tom and jerry the flintstones the

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jetsons with his partner william hannah

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hannah barbara

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he and hannah were awarded seven

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academy awards

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and eight

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emmy awards

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no joke

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so i went and i just grabbed my

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favorites out of the probably hundreds

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of cartoons that that they did i mean

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it's it's insane but i just compiled a

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little list here little stirring of the

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memories you ready

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the rough and ready show remember rough

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and ready the huckleberry hound show

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yogi bear

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touche turtle magilla gorilla ricochet

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rabbit johnny quest adam ant secret

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squirrel space ghost banana splits

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wacky races penelope pit stop dastardly

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and mutly in their flying machines

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scooby-doo

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josie and the pussycats

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speed buggy and hong kong phooey

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those are those were my favorites

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the list is so long

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you look and i

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don't know how they did it

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but they did

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happy birthday

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joseph barbara and we wouldn't have had

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uh childhoods like

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we're talking about you today

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thank you joseph barbara seriously

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straight up straight up with that let's

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get to our first break let's pay some

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bills around here

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this is fade to black tonight

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dr lynn katai will be with us tomorrow

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night courtney brown

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it's going to be a great show tonight

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very fired up you can email throughout

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the show jimmy at jimmychurchradio.com

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you can go to the contact page over at

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jimmyturtridio.com

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and you can use our specially encrypted

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non-nsa servers and do so in private if

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you want but you got to make it good if

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you want those emails to come through to

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me this is fade to black bespoke radio

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for the masses on the game changer

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network and kgr a the planet

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i'll be back

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right after this with the news that you

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know nothing about

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you're listening to jimmy church fade to

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fate to black will now pause for alien

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identification

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what's up revolutionaries it's me jimmy

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church

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do you have an irs or state tax issue

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well i did and i called national tax

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experts my problems were fixed done fini

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and man i gotta tell you it was a relief

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national tax experts are recognized tax

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office that services clients in all 50

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states doesn't matter where you live

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give them a call i'm telling you they

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take the time to understand each and

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every client's individual financial

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status as well as their financial goals

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and that's exactly what you need my

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brother when you're taking on the evil

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three letter so seriously give them a

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again 1-877-909-5444

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or go check out their website dub dub

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dub nat tax experts dot com that's

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t e-x-p-e-r-t-s dot com tell them jimmy

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sent you

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all right everybody welcome back this is

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fade to

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black bespoke

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radio for the masses game changer

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network

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a-g-r-a the planet kjcr2 can't leave

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that out

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there you go tonight dr lin kitai now

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this is what we're gonna do tonight

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dr ketai can't be with us until the top

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of the hour

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so i'm gonna open up the phone lines

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after the news

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how does that sound faders three two

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three eight two five fifty forty five

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i'll take your calls for a half hour

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whatever you wanna rap about we'll keep

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it open

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and uh there you go one of the things

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that we may want to cover uh tonight

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is something that uh

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the doctor and i are going to talk about

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are near-death experiences

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have you had a near-death experience

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i probably have had a few

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uh no but have you had a new near-death

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experience if you have i'd like to take

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your call tonight before the doctor

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comes on

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all right shoot me an email jimmy and

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jimmychurchradio.com

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any comments any questions for the good

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doctor you can also do that over in

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twitter

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hashtag

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f2bq that's f the number two b q fade to

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black questions

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at j church radio

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and uh get her done got anything that

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you would like to uh anything

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directed straight at me or the doctor i

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keep that column clean

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okay so there you go all right let's go

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let's get the show cracking the news

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that you know nothing about today

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german wings airbus a320

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it crashed today in the alps in south

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eastern france with about 150 people on

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board obliterating the plane and sending

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shockwaves through at least three

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european nations germany spain france

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flight 9525 took off just before 10 a.m

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tuesday from barcelona

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uh for dusseldorf germany with 144

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passengers on board among them two

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babies

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a couple of opera singers two as well

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six crew members went down at 10 53 a.m

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which is 5 53 a.m eastern here in the

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united states in a remote area

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in the alps

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according to an online flight tracker

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the records that records altitude the

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plane was at 38 000 feet

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and eight minutes later had dropped to

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eleven thousand 400 feet that's 27 000

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feet

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the plane's uh speed

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was at 551 miles an hour but it reduced

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yes i saw the images today the

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helicopters have taken pictures of the

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side of the mountain

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pieces all over the place none bigger

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than a small car

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uh human remains and so forth it is a

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very very very bad situation what i

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don't understand is uh

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uh

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another another plane crash that it just

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seems like we know nothing about

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just just completely nosedive

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and uh just like with 370 where we just

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don't know anything and it just you know

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just turns on this plane just for no

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reason at all

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did a 27 000 foot dive over eight

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minutes at 480 miles an hour

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you know piloted by a captain that had 6

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000 hours of flying time worked for

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work for lufthansa for

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10 years

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crazy

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absolutely nuts

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all right with that i'm just wondering

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what else there is to this you know our

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our thoughts and prayers are out with

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all the families but

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it just seems a little funny to me

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according to the wall street journal

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soon after the us and other major powers

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entered negotiations last year to

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curtail

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uh iran's nuclear program senior white

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house officials learned

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that israel was spying on the closed

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closed-door talks

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the spying operation was part of a

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broader campaign by israeli prime

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minister benjamin netanyahu's government

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to penetrate the negotiations and help

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build a case against the emerging terms

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of the deal

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current and former u.s officials are now

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saying in addition

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to eavesdropping israel acquired

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information from confidential u.s

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briefings informants and diplomatic

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contacts in europe

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the espionage didn't upset the white

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house as much as israel's sharing of

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inside information with u.s lawmakers

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and others to drain support from a

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high-stakes deal intended to limit

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iran's nuclear program

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the officials are now saying today it's

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crazy

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the white house discovered the operation

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in fact when the u.s intelligence agency

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spying on israel intercepted

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communications among his israeli

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officials that carried details of the us

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that they believed could have come only

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from access to confidential talks

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israeli officials denied spying directly

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on u.s negotiators and said they

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received their information through other

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means

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yeah right spy versus spy

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jupiter's large orbital journey across

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the early solar system may have cleared

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the way for the oddball arrangement of

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our planetary system scientists now say

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even to the point of destroying

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burgeoning young planets

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researchers at the california institute

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of technology created a model for the

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formation of jupiter and saturn dubbed

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grand tack

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which shows jupiter's migration towards

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the sun the area of the inner solar

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system where planets like mercury venus

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earth and mars exist until saturn is

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formed

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saturn's formation caused jupiter to

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reverse coarse and migrate outward to

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its current orbit

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in other exoplanet systems there is

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generally

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evidence of super earths that have

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formed which are planets ten times the

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mass of our earth of earth

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these super earths are conspicuously

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absent in our solar system

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so researchers think that they may have

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existed in the inner solar system before

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jupiter's migration

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they theorize

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that as jupiter moved inward and then

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outward its gravitational pull would

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have set off a series of collisions that

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smashed the newborn planets into pieces

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interesting

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scientists say that the resulting debris

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would have mostly spiraled into the sun

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and caused a second generation of inner

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planets to form

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with the depleted material

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this could explain why mercury venus and

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earth and mars are much younger than our

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outer solar system planets with smaller

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and thinner atmospheres

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isn't that interesting

571
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now this kind of report with everything

572
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,200
that we do here on fade to black my

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fader knots

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does a lot of explaining doesn't it

575
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think about that

576
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the x-files is really returning to fox

577
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for a six-episode continuation

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of its original nine-season run

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that's right

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six-episode continuation

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fox made the announcement today and it

582
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also confirmed that decovney and

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anderson will reprise their roles as fox

584
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mulder and dana scully with creator

585
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chris carter also on board the show will

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start production this summer but the air

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date is still to be determined

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yay

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you can help put names on pluto

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that's right

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you too can help put names on pluto maps

592
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that scientists will draw up after the

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first ever flyby of the dwarf planet

594
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this summer

595
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that's right we're going to start

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mapping pluto and if you want to name

597
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areas on the planet

598
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you can do it researchers working on

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nasa's new horizons mission

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which will zoom through the pluto system

601
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on july 14th are asking the public

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to propose and vote on names for

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geological features that the probe will

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identify on pluto and its largest moon

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charon

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the seti institute is leading the our

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00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:41,120
pluto naming campaign that's right all

608
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:42,799
you got to do

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is go and name and you can also vote

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ourpluto.seti.org

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through april 7th new horizons team and

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team members will then go through all of

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the results and submit a batch of

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recommendations to the international

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astronomical union

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and which assigns official names to

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celestial objects and their features

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and uh isn't your brain stirring right

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now

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our pluto dot seti

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dot org all right fade or not

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this week

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this is it

624
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,960
the large hadron collider the particle

625
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:30,880
accelerator used to discover the higgs

626
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,679
boson in 2012 and confirmed the

627
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existence of john teeter

628
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:38,799
will be fired back up after a two-year

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break

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the gigantic collider which includes a

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17-mile long underground tunnel that

632
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:46,880
runs between france and switzerland was

633
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shut down february 2013

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because allegedly they found a black

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hole and they thought that they were

636
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:54,720
going to disappear earth wouldn't that

637
00:27:02,789 --> 00:26:55,840
be funny

638
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:05,190
that's not that funny now physicists are

639
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,720
starting it back up for a new series of

640
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,240
experiments

641
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,720
intended to push the laws of physics to

642
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,080
their limits

643
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,919
it's going down this week

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00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:15,360
how'd you like to have your hand on that

645
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,240
trigger

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00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:18,960
you'd be the guy you you be walter

647
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,679
walter with the red button

648
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:23,279
twitch

649
00:27:30,510 --> 00:27:28,000
that amazon bought

650
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:33,669
970 million dollars just last year

651
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,880
that's right one billion dollars

652
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,240
last year

653
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,240
has been hacked

654
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:42,799
amazon admitted to it

655
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,080
yesterday

656
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:46,640
in an official blog post twitch said

657
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:49,520
that there had been unauthorized access

658
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,640
to user account information the platform

659
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:54,320
where people can go and watch others

660
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:57,360
play video games draws in more than 100

661
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:01,039
million unique users per month

662
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,919
for your protection we have expired

663
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:05,760
passwords and stream keys and have

664
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disconnected accounts from twitter and

665
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,679
youtube the company said

666
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,520
as a result you will be prompted to

667
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:13,200
create a new password and the next time

668
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,039
you attempt to log into your twitch

669
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,840
account twitch also said that users

670
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,080
should change their passwords

671
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:22,640
on all other sites

672
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:26,240
where they have used the same or similar

673
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:30,000
password man what a dire warning

674
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:31,279
everything puckers up when you hear

675
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,679
something like that twitch is the latest

676
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:35,279
in a string of companies that have been

677
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:38,240
hacked i report on them all week long

678
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:39,760
week after week

679
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,840
you had sony you had ebay you had jp

680
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:45,440
morgan uh you had that insurance company

681
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,320
up in uh in washington state

682
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:51,360
it's insane man

683
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:52,880
it's a good thing we're friends with

684
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,960
anonymous anonymous we love you we love

685
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,120
you man you do you have our back

686
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:59,520
we love you we love you

687
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:02,240
with that oh okay let me get to one more

688
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,600
man we're at the bottom of the hour

689
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,840
already a main

690
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this is what i'm gonna leave you with

691
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:09,679
are you ready

692
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:12,799
a main man maine as in the state of

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maine

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00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:15,679
who'd been wanted by police for several

695
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:17,600
weeks made a couple of critical mistakes

696
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,520
that led to his capture

697
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,919
he sent out social media messages

698
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:24,000
pinpointing his location

699
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,600
that's right the somerset county

700
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:27,520
sheriff's office have been looking for

701
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:30,080
christopher wallace of fairfield

702
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,200
in connection with a burglary in january

703
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,840
police told the morning sentinel that on

704
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:37,679
sunday night they received tips from

705
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:39,919
people who said wallace had posted on

706
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,799
snapchat and that he returned to his

707
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,559
fairfield home

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00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:47,120
so police went to the house while they

709
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,039
were searching with permission of the

710
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,120
resident they were tipped off that

711
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:53,760
wallace had posted a new snapchat

712
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,320
message saying police were in his house

713
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,279
looking for him and that he was hiding

714
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:01,200
in a cabinet

715
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,960
he was found

716
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:04,480
in said

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00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:05,919
cabinet

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00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,880
that's it

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this is fade to black bespoke radio for

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the masses i'm your host jimmy church

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that's all the news that you know

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nothing about i'm gonna take your calls

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right after this we're opening up the

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phone lines

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three two three

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eight two five fifty forty five three

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two three eight two five fifty forty

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five three two three eight two five

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fifty forty five got a half hour before

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lincoln tied let's open up the phone

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lines near death experiences have you

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seen a ufo this week chemtrails ghosts

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this is fade to black with jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra the global radio alliance

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the station that talks the net kg radio

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hi this is jimmy church of fade to black

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today everybody the fader knots and

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ever again it's the only way to listen

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to fade to black that's

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studio jimmychurchradio.com

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ah yeah fade to black bespoke

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radio for the masses on the game changer

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k-g-r-a the planet i am your host jimmy

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church

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tonight dr lynn kitai will be with us

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love say next time

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katai

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all right let's go to the phones outside

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the focus view becoming much harder to

801
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discern pretty quickly okay oh hold on a

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minute hold on a minute

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that is my bad now there are apps that

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promise to

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make and a commercial playing

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hi you're live i'm faded block who's

807
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calling

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it's tammy of course hey tammy of course

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how are you

810
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,159
i'm doing really good hey you want us to

811
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,480
tell about um

812
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:23,040
life and death experiences right yeah

813
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:24,480
i'm going to tell you about the most

814
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,000
recent well no i'm not i'm going to tell

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00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:28,159
you about the one before the most recent

816
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,119
one

817
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:31,679
when i got shot

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00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:37,200
times in the ambulance i'm in code blue

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my dad brought me back

820
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then i died once at the hospital

821
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they put me into a deep sleep uh during

822
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that time

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i didn't see anything they brought me

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back

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and

826
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uh put me into the sleep i woke up the

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next day to wish my dad a happy birthday

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then i went into a coma for three months

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during that whole time the only thing i

830
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can remember

831
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being in and out of a coma

832
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and talking to my baby brother that it

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00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,680
died exactly a year before being crushed

834
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by the log loader in the carrier and he

835
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,920
was showing me around but he never let

836
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,520
me through the gates and i kept saying

837
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john i want to go i want to go through

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that

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i want to go in

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and he said

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you can't go in and i thought uh oh

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what did i do i'm going to the wrong

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00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:33,760
place but during that whole time jimmy

844
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he kept visiting me while i was in a

845
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coma

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and he visited me

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and we talked about the last thing that

848
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we said to each other was

849
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:47,589
somebody had stolen his truck and

850
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:50,240
wrecked it and

851
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:51,839
my mom told him i'd give him the keys

852
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,960
and i didn't it was my other brother but

853
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:56,960
it was really really cool

854
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,839
for those of you that well

855
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,680
tammy tammy i want you to finish the

856
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:03,680
story in a second i have a few questions

857
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:05,520
for you so let's back up

858
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:09,599
um when you said you were talking to him

859
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:16,550
i could barely see

860
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:19,119
like a blur of

861
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:21,119
his head but what i really knew was his

862
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,000
voice

863
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:24,400
he looked like

864
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:25,520
all white

865
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:29,440
in close um i could barely see his feet

866
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:30,720
um

867
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,680
and it it made me happy because i

868
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,440
my brother was crushed by a log loader

869
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,119
and its carrier

870
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,320
and to see him as a whole person again

871
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:42,480
i'm going to tear up right right right

872
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:43,520
right

873
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:46,480
well um but claim this body jimmy it

874
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,920
wasn't i i exactly was well i have

875
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,440
questions was he

876
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,280
how old was he

877
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:55,520
john was 24 years old when he was killed

878
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,589
i mean you know was it a younger version

879
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,680
of himself or

880
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:05,839
he looked so healthy he looked like he

881
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:09,119
was still 24 years old but without all

882
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:10,320
the pain

883
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:13,280
without i mean his body was whole you

884
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:14,800
know when i claimed his body it was

885
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:17,440
jello right right

886
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:18,560
and

887
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:19,760
to me

888
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:22,160
the one thing that most people don't

889
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,920
realize is my little brother could have

890
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,920
looked just like patrick swayze any day

891
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:27,280
of the week

892
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:28,160
um

893
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,599
good looking guys

894
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,680
yeah a very good looking guy i had to

895
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:33,599
beat up so many of my friends that would

896
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:36,079
not leave him alone

897
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,119
could he sing and dance like patrick too

898
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,599
he was so shy jimmy that's the amazing

899
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:44,160
part he was really really shocked

900
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,119
um now girls would come up and

901
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,440
and ask him to dance and he'd say

902
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:51,119
i don't know how to dance i had to teach

903
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:52,880
him how to play

904
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:55,359
football because he was clumsy

905
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:56,480
um

906
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,599
we put nails in the bottom of his feet

907
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,160
right and

908
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:04,320
his shoes so that he could actually feel

909
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,270
but he was wonderful you know um now

910
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:17,990
man i have a hundred questions why did

911
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:20,720
he say no

912
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:22,880
because i had more things to do here i

913
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:24,800
still don't know what they are right

914
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,119
well that was showed me my dogs

915
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:29,359
he showed me my cats he showed me my

916
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,599
horses he showed me

917
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,680
pets from the past that were all waiting

918
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:35,680
for me but he said you're it's not your

919
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:36,640
time

920
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:39,200
how did he how did he show them to you

921
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:40,640
tammy

922
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:41,599
um

923
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:45,359
it's just walking around it was like

924
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:46,400
more

925
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:49,680
i don't uh how do i explain this um

926
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,960
holograph

927
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,839
wow

928
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,280
and

929
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,520
what was the i i have a million

930
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:57,200
questions so i'm just gonna ask you okay

931
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:00,000
rapid fire you ready

932
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:03,839
ready okay the ground what was that like

933
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:11,430
really and what color was it

934
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:14,240
um

935
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:16,960
so it was fun to watch a blue like a

936
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:19,359
blue green like blue grass like blue

937
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,520
grass like soft

938
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:23,920
marshmallowy blue grass

939
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:26,079
that's yeah you could walk on it really

940
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,720
really um i

941
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:30,960
i don't know if heaven is the same for

942
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:33,920
everybody jimmy i really don't

943
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:37,760
but everything i ever wanted was there

944
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:45,750
you know what i mean yeah you know you

945
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:48,240
don't have fear i don't have fear

946
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,520
i don't have

947
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:52,079
yeah i don't i believe you know i should

948
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,000
be dead right now a lot of people don't

949
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,160
realize i'm walking around with shrapnel

950
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,240
in my brain a full

951
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,640
my full lower right side of my brain is

952
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:02,240
absolutely gone

953
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:05,920
um the bullet took off my my right ear

954
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,960
i have a fake jaw in place i'm totally

955
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,560
deaf on the right side

956
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,400
the doctor said sew her up she's gonna

957
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:13,599
die

958
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,910
saying that you know i was mad

959
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:21,440
and i'm the type of person you don't

960
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:24,240
tell me no especially if i don't want to

961
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:32,390
so you know it's um

962
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,280
oh

963
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,040
i uh

964
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:36,720
when they when they put me under the

965
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:39,040
last time uh

966
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:40,640
when i woke up to wish my dad a happy

967
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:43,520
birthday i really was in tears i had the

968
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:45,280
the most i was awake was long enough to

969
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:47,200
say dad what day is today and he said

970
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,720
october 28th

971
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,240
and i said it's your birthday and i'm

972
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,480
really sorry i ruined it i love you and

973
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,800
he said um

974
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,960
honey the best thing that happened was

975
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,720
you're talking to me because i got shot

976
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,079
the day before his birthday that's why i

977
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,640
was even down there right and

978
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,880
i told him i said i'm gonna go back to

979
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:06,800
sleep now and

980
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,400
talk more with john and my dad goes what

981
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,560
you know he was like

982
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:14,160
really and i mean they put me in the

983
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:15,040
sleep

984
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:16,160
um

985
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:17,839
the other time i woke up was when a

986
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:20,240
nurse almost put in a

987
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,640
air bubble into my vein

988
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:24,880
i literally grabbed her arm before she

989
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,440
could do anything and yelled for my dad

990
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:29,200
and he came in he looked at the needle

991
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,720
and the head doctor a good friend of

992
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:32,880
mine looked at the needle and went

993
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,440
there's an air about this could kill her

994
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:37,599
you know literally i shouldn't be here

995
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,720
um the neglect that they they uh

996
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,800
the nurse staff there i am so glad we

997
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:44,880
have nurses like nancy nurse around that

998
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:47,119
actually do have a heart and not after

999
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,400
the money

1000
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:50,160
right right right

1001
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:54,000
were you heaven what were you able to

1002
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:56,720
see other people too

1003
00:42:03,190 --> 00:41:59,040
my great-grandma kim hobble went down my

1004
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:03,200
uncle john conrad general john conrad

1005
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:04,720
you guys talk about it once in a while

1006
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:09,510
was there

1007
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,280
they were kind of busy doing their thing

1008
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,800
i had a vision

1009
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:16,480
i fell off a ladder

1010
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:17,359
into

1011
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:20,400
2010 when the ladder broke on me

1012
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:24,319
and i i went out again

1013
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,119
and

1014
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:27,119
i like i said i think heaven is for

1015
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,640
everybody when i i got to see my dad my

1016
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,720
brother again they told me it wasn't my

1017
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:34,400
time to go that i had too much to do

1018
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:36,160
here i wish i knew what it was

1019
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,240
um they were actually gold panning

1020
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,400
you know um

1021
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:44,640
interesting how long

1022
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,079
how long did this last for

1023
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,480
you know jimmy when i woke up i didn't

1024
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,640
even know i'd been out for for three

1025
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:54,319
months

1026
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,560
i really didn't um okay but the actual

1027
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,160
uh um

1028
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,040
the the the death side of it

1029
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,800
uh when when everything happened at

1030
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,400
first i mean were you actually

1031
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,400
clinically dead i guess is the question

1032
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,160
clinically dead six times in the

1033
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:12,079
ambulance and my dad kept bringing me

1034
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:13,520
back by

1035
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,240
talking in my ear rubbing my hand and

1036
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:18,160
then he actually popped me in the chest

1037
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,200
twice which which made the ambulance

1038
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,240
people just totally panic

1039
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,640
and um

1040
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,800
i my dad was a

1041
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,560
green beret but he

1042
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,720
i don't know how he knew what to do

1043
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,040
i really don't he brought me back twice

1044
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,960
and then they gave me a

1045
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,240
a shot

1046
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,480
that brought me back uh the other three

1047
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:42,079
times the one time i was actually dead

1048
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:43,599
for three minutes

1049
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:44,720
um

1050
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,440
and in the hospital it just did i i

1051
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:50,079
don't know if you call it a dream or

1052
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:50,880
the

1053
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,800
but i was never allowed in

1054
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,319
to

1055
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:02,640
where they would go you know it was like

1056
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,200
you have to you have to go back now

1057
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,680
and i remember feeling like i was being

1058
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:09,920
swallowed back

1059
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:13,760
um just everything started closing in

1060
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,800
and

1061
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,880
you know the end of uh

1062
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,319
legs bunny

1063
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:21,359
where the big circle goes down

1064
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:22,560
yep

1065
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,040
okay like that except it was

1066
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:26,880
like a picture closing

1067
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:28,400
um

1068
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:30,160
and then i woke up and it was like where

1069
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:31,760
the hell am i you know i don't want to

1070
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:34,800
be here what happened

1071
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:37,599
take me i i want to know about

1072
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,280
this is me i want uh the the for for me

1073
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,839
when it first happens there must be

1074
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,920
the sensational part at the very

1075
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:47,599
beginning where

1076
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:50,240
the it all starts you know in the very

1077
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,480
beginning what for me for me um

1078
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,640
i could hear him saying she's code blue

1079
00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:59,119
she's code blue she's cold blue and then

1080
00:45:02,829 --> 00:45:02,079
the next thing i know i'm like in a in a

1081
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:02,839
white

1082
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,680
area and my brother comes walking up and

1083
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:07,200
he looks he goes you're not supposed to

1084
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,560
be her

1085
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,640
and i said uh

1086
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:12,079
i can't tell you what i said on the

1087
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,200
radio

1088
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:15,440
and the last word was you but it started

1089
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,520
with an s right and uh and john says no

1090
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:22,079
hon he says you're you got to go back

1091
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,839
you can't stay

1092
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:26,160
and i said well i'm not going back

1093
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,160
i don't think i said i didn't bring

1094
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:30,000
myself here and he says well let me show

1095
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,520
you around and

1096
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,839
we'll talk he says we have a lot to do

1097
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,280
together

1098
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:37,359
and we've gotten into a huge fight there

1099
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,720
was a lot of things that happened

1100
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,319
between me and him that was neither one

1101
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:42,400
of our faults we were being pitted

1102
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:45,520
against each other right my stepmother

1103
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,319
sure and we worked that out oh i was so

1104
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,079
mad when i got back at her i still am

1105
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:52,319
i'll never forgive her for that

1106
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,150
he uh

1107
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,319
he started telling me that everything is

1108
00:46:01,510 --> 00:46:00,240
there everything you could ever want

1109
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:01,520
dream

1110
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,319
and i told him the last time i seen him

1111
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:06,880
and and he apologized for that he said

1112
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,839
it was my time to go he told us all he

1113
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:11,680
was going to pass away

1114
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:14,000
on his 20 you know when he was 24 and he

1115
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:15,359
did

1116
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:17,040
since we were little

1117
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:18,880
but everything i could see there jimmy

1118
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,839
it was like a foggy haze

1119
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:23,839
um

1120
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:27,280
it was not crystal clear

1121
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:34,950
you couldn't exactly see through them

1122
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:37,280
but you couldn't exactly see that they

1123
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,000
were

1124
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,880
meat and bones yeah you know what i mean

1125
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:42,880
um

1126
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,000
sure sure well and you're in a spot that

1127
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,760
you've you know you're completely

1128
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,920
unfamiliar with so

1129
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,680
no that's the point you didn't feel like

1130
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,599
you were unfamiliar with it

1131
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,720
so you were

1132
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,720
you were comfortable with the

1133
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:59,040
you know trying to make sense of my life

1134
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,480
trying to make it never felt better in

1135
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:02,160
my life jimmy

1136
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,960
hmm

1137
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,480
well um

1138
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,800
so you didn't try to make sense out of

1139
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:08,400
anything you were just comfortable from

1140
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,560
the word go i i knew i was where i i

1141
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,319
thought i was actually in heaven and

1142
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:16,720
then i was gonna stay there and

1143
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:19,839
it was like wow you know um what about

1144
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,069
i actually have a picture i'm gonna try

1145
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:28,160
and bring to contact in the desert of

1146
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:29,920
one i took but

1147
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:30,720
i

1148
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:42,240
that

1149
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,760
you know you play the song he heavy he's

1150
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:47,440
my brother and it makes me cry every

1151
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:48,960
time yeah

1152
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:51,200
that i kid well now

1153
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,560
now that i know that i'm going to play

1154
00:47:56,550 --> 00:47:54,319
it all the time

1155
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:56,560
now you know because if it reminds you

1156
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,560
of them you know you know we're saying

1157
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:00,480
that sewing together at a

1158
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:06,550
school thing um he ain't heavy is my

1159
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,440
brother and we carried out my uh niece

1160
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:11,599
my oldest niece and and kind of played

1161
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:14,800
it for school in a military school

1162
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:17,280
yeah that song has an effect on me too

1163
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:21,200
and when i was recording it uh

1164
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:24,000
that song almost didn't get done

1165
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:25,760
and the reason why it almost didn't get

1166
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:28,240
done the first time i had this vision of

1167
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,000
it in my mind

1168
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:32,319
and i played it for rita and you know

1169
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:35,359
she's my best critic right i i i

1170
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:37,839
she's my best critic so i played it for

1171
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,680
her and she was like yeah she was like

1172
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,599
this isn't good enough i was like what

1173
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,280
do you mean it's not good enough

1174
00:48:48,309 --> 00:48:45,760
well what do you mean and and i could

1175
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:48,319
hear it in my head but she couldn't he

1176
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,079
she only heard what i had

1177
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,640
i had done it almost didn't get done

1178
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,359
but when she said that to me it just

1179
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:57,760
you know it angered me and i went back

1180
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:00,720
and and i perfected it and got it right

1181
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,559
uh to the way we are now going to

1182
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,400
probably get me and rita fighting i'm

1183
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:06,720
sorry rita i love you too because you

1184
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:09,839
know that but i can feel every heartfelt

1185
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:11,839
note jimmy plays in that

1186
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:14,240
it's uh no she loves the song now and

1187
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:15,760
that uh

1188
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:17,599
loves our version of it

1189
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:20,319
but uh so but but anyway this is the

1190
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:21,520
thing

1191
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,319
that song is so emotional

1192
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:25,760
that uh

1193
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,160
when when i was recording it and putting

1194
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,480
it down it was hard

1195
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,160
to record because you know what it's

1196
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:34,079
about you know the words

1197
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:34,960
and

1198
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:39,280
solid

1199
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:42,960
played the drums i played the bass you

1200
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:44,880
know i did you know played all the parts

1201
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,440
on it and engineered it and stuff so it

1202
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:49,760
took it took a while to get done and it

1203
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,480
was mentally taxing because the song is

1204
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:54,480
so beautiful but it has so much meaning

1205
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:55,440
to it

1206
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,240
and it was tough to get through tammy so

1207
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,079
i'm glad that you appreciate it first

1208
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,240
time he played it i i waited till mark

1209
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,040
went to his room and then i went back

1210
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,119
and just kept replaying

1211
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:08,720
ah

1212
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:12,240
cool just had a cry fest i really really

1213
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,280
did

1214
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:15,440
and i'm like you know and the best part

1215
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:16,480
of it is

1216
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:17,200
is

1217
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,800
you don't have to hear the words you

1218
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:20,800
know what that song's about the other

1219
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:23,520
song me john and and larry did together

1220
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:26,559
for uh the military school talent show

1221
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:31,990
cats in the cradle yeah that's another

1222
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,400
one that's that's a tough one and you

1223
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:36,800
know another one uh what's it uh by

1224
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,200
harry nielsen taxi driver

1225
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:41,280
what's it called um

1226
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:42,559
oh

1227
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:45,280
but but that one too yeah all all three

1228
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:48,640
songs uh are are heavy

1229
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:49,680
they're right

1230
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,480
and

1231
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:52,960
yeah i say this all the time demi it's

1232
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:55,359
um songs like that that affect us

1233
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:56,880
emotionally

1234
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:59,119
come from an emotional place to begin

1235
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,920
with

1236
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,920
you have to have

1237
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:03,599
love and lost

1238
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:06,720
you know whether it's a family member uh

1239
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:09,839
you know a wife a girlfriend a dog

1240
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:10,720
you know

1241
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,359
that's those songs uh

1242
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,280
for somebody to

1243
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,440
um we and we have to appreciate all of

1244
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,160
those songwriters that that actually

1245
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:22,880
will put their emotions down on paper

1246
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:24,880
and then you know and there's nothing

1247
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:27,359
worse than why is it that you know you

1248
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,559
break up with somebody and you're

1249
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:30,240
driving down the road and every car

1250
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:33,839
every song on the radio is a song about

1251
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:36,880
getting dumped right and it's just oh

1252
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,040
yeah yeah oh yeah

1253
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,280
and so that's what it is people get

1254
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,160
their emotions uh down

1255
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:45,839
and they're they're able to write the

1256
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:48,960
words out and and and get the music done

1257
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:50,960
but uh i said it the other day james

1258
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,440
taylor james taylor man

1259
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,200
carly simon

1260
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,079
wrecked him right

1261
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:00,319
well look at what i just found out joe

1262
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:03,280
walsh dated one of my favorite singers

1263
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:05,040
in the world

1264
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:06,880
and she wrote a song about him and i'm

1265
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:08,079
like going

1266
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:12,400
oh my gosh on an interview today um

1267
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:14,000
and and

1268
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,280
it just totally blew me away but

1269
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:18,960
i'm proud of him he's one of my favorite

1270
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,160
people um just to see where he's been

1271
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:24,800
how much he he went through

1272
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:27,280
tormenting himself you know ruining his

1273
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,280
body and then coming back

1274
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:31,599
as the person

1275
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:34,640
he is today just an amazing you know

1276
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:37,839
just like chase koleski um amazing

1277
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:40,000
people you could learn a lot from

1278
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:41,760
and they're there to show you you know

1279
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,200
i've been through this

1280
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:45,680
right if i could go through this

1281
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:49,280
you can come back you know and it's just

1282
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:50,400
um

1283
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:52,640
yeah i can't wait to meet rita at uh

1284
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,119
contact in the desert of course you know

1285
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:57,599
everybody else

1286
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,200
and you

1287
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,440
don't get me wrong it's just i just feel

1288
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,520
a tight bond with your wife it's very

1289
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,440
hard to find honest people and i believe

1290
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,040
that that is what we have in the state

1291
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:09,280
or not and i'm staying there i don't

1292
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:10,880
care what left says he can kick me off

1293
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,720
all at once i'm coming back

1294
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:17,040
yeah contact in the desert is going to

1295
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:19,040
be great i'm really looking forward to

1296
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:19,760
it

1297
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,280
and uh wow thank you for sharing uh all

1298
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:25,920
of that i haven't had

1299
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,040
a near-death experience i i haven't i

1300
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,760
haven't uh the only time

1301
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:33,680
uh the first time that i had kidney

1302
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:35,680
stones this is gonna make you laugh

1303
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,240
um i i get read on the phone and i tell

1304
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:39,839
her i think i'm having a heart attack

1305
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:42,000
right and uh and i didn't know what was

1306
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:43,280
wrong with me i was going through all

1307
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:44,559
that pain

1308
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,359
and

1309
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:47,520
uh i passed out

1310
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:49,359
and when

1311
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:52,559
uh i was passed out and the fire

1312
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:54,559
department shows up with rita they

1313
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:56,240
kicked down the door and and they come

1314
00:54:02,230 --> 00:53:57,040
in

1315
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:02,240
ambulance

1316
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:04,160
and uh

1317
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:06,160
and i'm just like out of my mind

1318
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:07,760
and they put me in the ambulance and i

1319
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:09,760
turned to you know the two paramedics

1320
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,880
that were up there and they're driving

1321
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,960
they turn on the siren and i go

1322
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:14,960
am i gonna die

1323
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,440
and that guy turns around to me

1324
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:20,000
he turns around and i mean i'm serious

1325
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,760
i was in that kind of pain

1326
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,280
and uh

1327
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,200
he turns around he goes dude uh i think

1328
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:27,040
you've got kidney stones

1329
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:28,640
and i just put my head down and fell

1330
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:30,559
asleep that was it i didn't wake up for

1331
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:32,000
hours

1332
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,359
you know a lot of people think the

1333
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:36,000
hardest thing was to get back to me

1334
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:37,359
that's what the name of my book's gonna

1335
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:40,000
be and yes you still get a free copy but

1336
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,559
um the hardest thing was leaving

1337
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,640
the place that i was when i died

1338
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,040
well i'm not kidding well that

1339
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:49,520
that was hard and now you know you know

1340
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,200
now you know you know and uh if you tell

1341
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:55,440
me before jimmy i told everybody you

1342
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:57,839
wouldn't have liked me i was a sassy

1343
00:55:01,430 --> 00:55:00,319
snotty little

1344
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:01,440
yeah

1345
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:09,680
but it taught me so much about life

1346
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:12,960
and so much about who i really was and

1347
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:20,390
you can't you can't learn it any other

1348
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:21,119
way

1349
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,280
you i i couldn't i mean i i had four

1350
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:27,280
four different accidents uh drowning

1351
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:28,960
when i was three years old

1352
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,559
um

1353
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:32,720
well what did you uh think about those

1354
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:35,440
movies uh that came out last year the

1355
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,079
two movies about uh going to heaven

1356
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:40,319
uh with the kids uh

1357
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:43,599
i forget i don't watch tv no that was

1358
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:45,520
they were in the theaters did you see

1359
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,839
either one of those there is a god or

1360
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:49,359
there is a heaven

1361
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,200
did you see that there definitely is a

1362
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:53,680
heaven and there definitely is a god but

1363
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:57,280
there's also you know i i believe in god

1364
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:01,440
i do not and hear me on that i do not

1365
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,760
believe in organized religion

1366
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:05,920
mark and i have been living together for

1367
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:07,280
15 years

1368
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:10,720
we've been very good friends for longer

1369
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:13,440
we go to a garage sale and all these

1370
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,760
christian minis are like

1371
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:18,000
your husband is looking at this he's not

1372
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:20,240
my husband and they kept doing that your

1373
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,599
husband your husband your husband

1374
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:23,760
finally i said hey people he's my shack

1375
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:27,829
you know

1376
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:32,720
their faces but who's actually the rude

1377
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,960
one in that part they don't believe that

1378
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,640
a man and a woman can live together i

1379
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:38,079
have a three-bedroom home there's two

1380
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:39,520
people living here

1381
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,309
automatically they think that a man and

1382
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:46,079
a woman when i was going to college i

1383
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:48,960
was uh 16 years old i graduated high

1384
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,680
school at 14. i had five male roommates

1385
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:53,040
i wonder what they would have thought of

1386
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:54,559
me then

1387
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:55,680
right

1388
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:00,640
it's i don't believe in organized

1389
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:02,799
religion um

1390
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:05,200
and i'm sorry if i insult anybody but

1391
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:06,720
it's it's just

1392
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:08,559
it's too hard it's just like anything

1393
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:10,799
else that's organized beliefs are pushed

1394
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:11,760
on you

1395
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:17,270
do you really have a chance right

1396
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:18,799
right

1397
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,440
oh man thank you for the phone call what

1398
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:23,119
thank you for sharing

1399
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:23,920
and

1400
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:26,480
i'll share more with you i really will

1401
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i'm i'm

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just excited because there's a couple of

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00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:30,960
questions i don't want to ask you on

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00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:34,000
rita on air but i'll ask you at sea

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00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:36,880
there you go thank you so much tampy

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00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:40,160
tammy all righty thank you bye

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00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,680
fade to black

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00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:43,280
when i come back after the break we'll

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00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:44,880
be joined

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00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:48,319
by dr lin kitai this is fade to black

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00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:49,920
i'll be back right after this stay with

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00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:04,390
way out here we listen to jimmy church

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you're listening to fade to black

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alternative talk kgra

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this is jimmy church of fade to black

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may arrives soon and with it comes

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another contact in the desert so join me

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in joshua tree california for the third

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2015 brings another awesome lineup of

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favorite talk show to find that it's

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for this and i'm ashamed of you hillary

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you are listening to fade to black with

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01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:23,270
hi i'm rhys evans you're listening to

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01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,240
jimmy church this is revolution the

1464
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:29,040
revolution will not be televised the

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01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:32,319
revolution is on radio

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01:00:46,079 --> 01:01:14,789
so

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01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:19,190
all right welcome back fade to black

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01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:21,829
bespoke radio for the masses on the game

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01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:25,599
changer network and kgr the planet

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i'm your also home humble humble host

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01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:29,599
jimmy church

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01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:31,440
welcome back everybody everybody

1473
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:33,440
listening all around the world all

1474
01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:35,520
across the united states

1475
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:37,839
tonight is a very special night we have

1476
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:40,720
dr lynn ketai back with us

1477
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:43,200
lynn d ketai md is an internationally

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01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:44,480
acclaimed

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01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:46,160
physician and award-winning health

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01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:48,559
educator with a distinguished career

1481
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:51,440
spanning over 40 years she was the chief

1482
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:53,440
clinical consultant of the imaging

1483
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:55,760
prevention wellness center at the

1484
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:57,760
renowned arizona heart institute in

1485
01:02:02,950 --> 01:01:59,680
phoenix before pushing her successful

1486
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:02,960
medical career aside to pursue the

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01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:04,880
source and meaning of the historic

1488
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:07,920
arizona mass sighting event of march

1489
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:10,880
13th 1997 which has become known across

1490
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:14,160
the globe as the phoenix light dr lin's

1491
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,920
internationally award-winning phoenix

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01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:17,520
lights documentary and best-selling book

1493
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,839
the phoenix lights

1494
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:21,839
discovery that we are not alone are the

1495
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:24,400
definitive works concerning the most

1496
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:26,799
important mass ufo sighting in modern

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01:02:31,109 --> 01:02:28,480
history i would like to welcome back to

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01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:31,119
the program our good friend dr lin kitai

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01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:32,720
lynn how are you tonight

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01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:34,720
i am just wonderful and thanks so much

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01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:36,960
for having me i heard your little uh

1502
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:39,680
ad a few minutes ago about the contact

1503
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:41,839
in the desert i'm excited to be a part

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01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:44,240
of that as well in fact i'll be

1505
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:47,440
speaking on friday the 29th and doing a

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01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:49,520
workshop and i'll get into more of that

1507
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:50,880
but it's going to be an incredible

1508
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,799
weekend it was last year and i look

1509
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,480
forward to seeing you there and lots of

1510
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:56,640
people listening as well what time are

1511
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,400
you speaking friday night we're

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01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:00,960
broadcasting again you did this to us

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01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:02,960
last year too if you remember

1514
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:06,000
we're we're broadcasting 7 to 10 p.m

1515
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:07,760
i'll be here i'll be there because i'm

1516
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:09,359
going to be speaking in the morning from

1517
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:12,079
9 to 10 30 and then the afternoon doing

1518
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:14,079
a workshop really getting into the

1519
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:16,480
nitty-gritty of um

1520
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:18,960
how the mass sighting affected the

1521
01:03:23,910 --> 01:03:21,280
people in real time and long term that

1522
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:23,920
is so fascinating uh in and of itself

1523
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:25,760
and we can talk about that uh tonight if

1524
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:26,880
you'd like

1525
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:29,280
oh we are we are we have so much to talk

1526
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:30,640
about too you're so funny before the

1527
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:33,760
show jimmy we got so much to talk about

1528
01:03:38,069 --> 01:03:35,599
well we do you know why jimmy because

1529
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:38,079
there is so much myth and disinformation

1530
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:40,160
out there one of the main reasons i came

1531
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:42,000
forward after seven years of anonymity

1532
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:43,920
was really to set the record straight

1533
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,400
because from day one and and i'm going

1534
01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:48,559
to be actually speaking about that in my

1535
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:50,000
presentation at the contact in the

1536
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,280
desert um how the media unfolded uh how

1537
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:55,760
the story unfolded through the media uh

1538
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:57,200
is fascinating i don't believe in

1539
01:04:00,789 --> 01:03:59,200
coincidence anymore because it just so

1540
01:04:02,309 --> 01:04:00,799
happened i had no interest or knowledge

1541
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,319
in this topic at all

1542
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:04,400
and uh both my husband and i he's a

1543
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:06,799
physician as well had a very close

1544
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:08,640
sighting to our home two years before

1545
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:11,039
the mass sighting i got 35 millimeter

1546
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:12,960
pictures didn't know even who to show

1547
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:13,920
them to

1548
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:16,240
and wondered for two years

1549
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:18,160
what this advanced technology was right

1550
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:20,000
outside our bedroom window we live

1551
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:22,319
pretty high at mountainside in paradise

1552
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:25,440
valley arizona we overlooked the valley

1553
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:27,119
and and we have a panoramic view of the

1554
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:29,200
city skyline so we know what helicopters

1555
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:30,720
and street lights and car lights and so

1556
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:32,960
forth look like and you know just real

1557
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:35,039
briefly i mean these were orbs these

1558
01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:36,960
were objects that were in a pyramid

1559
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:40,240
formation about 50 75 feet off the

1560
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:43,680
desert grand very treacherous uh incline

1561
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:46,640
um you know less than 100 yards from our

1562
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:49,280
home and uh you know they were they were

1563
01:04:54,789 --> 01:04:52,240
real and they were there and i saw them

1564
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:54,799
not only did i take real real close note

1565
01:04:59,029 --> 01:04:56,720
because as you mentioned some of my

1566
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:59,039
background is video workbook curriculums

1567
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:01,440
for kids on vital health issues so

1568
01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:03,119
immediately i thought i've got to get my

1569
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:04,880
video camera

1570
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:06,400
but i didn't want to miss anything and

1571
01:05:09,910 --> 01:05:07,680
you'll hear that again i'm sure you've

1572
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:09,920
heard that jimmy from people who have

1573
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:11,920
extraordinary experiences they they

1574
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:13,520
don't want to move they're in awe and

1575
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:14,880
certainly we heard it from thousands of

1576
01:05:20,549 --> 01:05:17,440
people connected with the mass lading uh

1577
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:20,559
in 97 but try to take everything and

1578
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:22,640
mentally the size the shape the color

1579
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:24,960
they were about three to six feet each

1580
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:26,960
they were oval shaped like an egg on its

1581
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:28,960
side they were in a pyramid

1582
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:31,200
array one on top and two closely aligned

1583
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:32,640
underneath and

1584
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:34,720
i call them an orb

1585
01:05:38,549 --> 01:05:36,720
because the light did not extend outside

1586
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:38,559
the edge it was self-contained and it

1587
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:42,799
was a a beautiful mesmerizing um uniform

1588
01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:44,880
amber color throughout it's it's it's

1589
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:46,480
interesting that worldwide people see

1590
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:48,880
these phenomena and use the word amber

1591
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:50,880
for some reason not yellow not orange or

1592
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:52,720
amber but anyway i thought if i don't

1593
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:54,079
get a picture of this no one's going to

1594
01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:56,160
believe it and as i go running to the

1595
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:58,160
closet to grab the 35 millimeter that i

1596
01:06:02,150 --> 01:06:00,000
had handy for the beautiful sunsets we

1597
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:02,160
have here my husband calls me back he

1598
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:03,680
says get over here quick one of them is

1599
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:05,359
disappearing and i'm sharing this with

1600
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:07,839
you because i'm in the audience because

1601
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,839
i always go back to this closed sighting

1602
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:11,520
because i saw it right in front of my

1603
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:14,000
face and the top orb

1604
01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:15,680
without budging

1605
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:18,160
started to implode i i guess like a

1606
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:20,000
dimmer switch it's so hard to

1607
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:21,440
describe it but

1608
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:23,200
mechanically as if there was an

1609
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:25,680
intelligence behind it started to get

1610
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:29,039
smaller and smaller very slowly just

1611
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:31,920
imploding mechanically until it was a

1612
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:34,400
diet until it was gone and we didn't see

1613
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:36,880
it anymore with our eyes but i have to

1614
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:38,720
admit that it felt like it was still

1615
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:40,880
there where did it go okay

1616
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:43,039
got in the balcony got a quick picture

1617
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:45,039
of the two lower orbs and for anyone

1618
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:46,640
that's near a computer if you want to go

1619
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:49,920
on the phoenix lights network website

1620
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:51,680
google phoenix lights it's usually first

1621
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:54,880
or the phoenix lights.net and go to the

1622
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,079
photo page um you'll see some topography

1623
01:07:01,990 --> 01:07:00,400
which i'll get to in a second but um

1624
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:02,000
you'll also see the first picture that i

1625
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:04,480
took were the two bottom orbs and i have

1626
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:07,280
to admit to me when i got out there um

1627
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:08,640
first of all

1628
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:11,440
it was an eerie silence as if time had

1629
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:14,240
stopped it was just bizarre and didn't

1630
01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:15,599
share this with anyone until after the

1631
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:17,839
mass sighting two years later but as i

1632
01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:21,440
was intently glaring at these two bottom

1633
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:24,000
orbs it felt like something was watching

1634
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:25,039
me

1635
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:26,880
and going through my mind i was thinking

1636
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:28,400
who are you what are you do you know

1637
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:30,480
that i'm here i'd love to meet you and

1638
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:31,839
the next thing i remember the left

1639
01:07:36,789 --> 01:07:34,240
bottom orb started to implode like the

1640
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:36,799
top one had and i quickly shot a picture

1641
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:38,319
of that and that was the only one that

1642
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:40,319
turned out at the time but for me it was

1643
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:42,480
amazing because not only did it confirm

1644
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:44,240
that something unusual did happen and it

1645
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:46,720
was close but i actually caught one of

1646
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:48,319
them half disappeared and one's still

1647
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:50,240
there and that picture is also posted on

1648
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:51,520
the photo page

1649
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,520
at any rate again i didn't know who to

1650
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:55,680
show it to two years past didn't see

1651
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:58,319
anything remotely connected with with

1652
01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:59,920
anything that looked anything like this

1653
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:01,440
until

1654
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:03,280
two months before the mass lighting this

1655
01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:04,799
is really significant

1656
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:06,720
that they you know in good contents i

1657
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:08,160
couldn't stick in a drawer and

1658
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:11,680
ultimately after seven years but um i

1659
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:14,079
actually saw orbs at a distance

1660
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:16,000
information again the second night of

1661
01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:18,799
which i caught the same

1662
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:20,000
phenomena

1663
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:25,679
lights in a row head on turning into a v

1664
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:27,679
that i would also catch during the mass

1665
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:29,839
sighting on video and i have to admit it

1666
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:31,279
was so unnerving

1667
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:33,359
not having an explanation for what was

1668
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:35,120
outside our window two years before and

1669
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,960
it was certainly advanced technology of

1670
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:38,400
some sort that i didn't know existed

1671
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:39,679
here on earth

1672
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:41,600
that i called around

1673
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:43,679
found air traffic controllers at sky

1674
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,679
harbor international airport who saw the

1675
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:48,000
same thing at the same time and they

1676
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:50,480
were excited that i actually saw it too

1677
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:51,839
and admitted to me they were very

1678
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:53,920
forthcoming initially that it didn't

1679
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:56,640
show up on radar that this had lights

1680
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:59,520
had appeared over class b restricted

1681
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:01,040
airspace this is really important

1682
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:02,960
because there's a 30 mile radius around

1683
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:05,279
the center of the airport that anybody

1684
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,480
that goes into that aerospace

1685
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:08,400
particularly a thousand feet altitude

1686
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:10,960
disease were must call into the tower

1687
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:13,440
and no one did so they looked on radar

1688
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:15,040
didn't show up on radar they got their

1689
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,719
advan you know very high powered

1690
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:18,480
binoculars to look

1691
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,640
and what they described were six points

1692
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:22,560
of light totally equidistant from each

1693
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:25,759
other massive span over a mile wide that

1694
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:28,239
seemed to be attached to something

1695
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:29,679
but they couldn't quite see what is

1696
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:31,120
attached to

1697
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:31,839
and

1698
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:37,440
said that it actually turned as a unit

1699
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:40,080
against the wind and then elevated

1700
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,400
slowly and then moved behind south

1701
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:44,560
mountain in synchrony so i said so what

1702
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:45,520
was it

1703
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:47,120
and one of them says

1704
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:49,120
beats me this is the air traffic

1705
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:50,719
controller this is you know like this

1706
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,400
like you know

1707
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:54,719
you know your professional sky watchers

1708
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:56,320
and they they ruled out everything jimmy

1709
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:59,280
they rolled out every possibility from

1710
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:01,440
not only flares of course but but from

1711
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:03,920
blimps and from uh and conventional

1712
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:07,199
aircraft and even um skydivers with

1713
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:09,280
lights i mean they ruled everything out

1714
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:11,840
go ahead and one thing i want to point

1715
01:10:16,709 --> 01:10:14,880
out to the listeners that haven't uh

1716
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:16,719
been to phoenix

1717
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:19,199
is that sky harbor

1718
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,560
uh the airport is right in the phoenix

1719
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:24,960
is is is one city in between these

1720
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:27,120
mountains like this little va and and

1721
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:30,480
the airport lies right in the middle of

1722
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:31,760
the city

1723
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:34,000
so if these guys are you know it's not

1724
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:36,000
20 miles outside of the city like so

1725
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:38,080
many different airports around the

1726
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:39,040
country

1727
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:42,400
sky harbor sits right down right there

1728
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:43,920
man it's it's you know it's a great

1729
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:46,000
airport to get to too because it's

1730
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:48,159
you're always close by

1731
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:49,679
right well well another interesting

1732
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:51,199
point jimmy you bring up a really good

1733
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:53,600
point is that just south of the airport

1734
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:56,320
i had mentioned that the this phenomenon

1735
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:58,480
went behind south mountain it's south

1736
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:59,520
mountain

1737
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:01,440
a few miles back

1738
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:02,960
there's another mountain range called

1739
01:11:06,070 --> 01:11:04,640
the estrella mountain range and what was

1740
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:06,080
interesting and this is another little

1741
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:07,840
coincidence okay

1742
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:09,760
six months before the mass sighting

1743
01:11:13,669 --> 01:11:12,000
because i this is so intriguing i was

1744
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:13,679
invited to present my substance abuse

1745
01:11:17,669 --> 01:11:16,080
prevention education program i i produce

1746
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:17,679
video workbook curriculums on vital

1747
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:19,040
health issues like aids and teen

1748
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:20,400
pregnancy and substitute abuse for

1749
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:22,480
schools worldwide discovery education

1750
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:24,960
distributes them as we speak and i was

1751
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:26,880
invited to the one school that they have

1752
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:29,199
their their sacred ground the hilla bend

1753
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:31,760
indian reservation is in between

1754
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:33,520
south mountain and the estrella mountain

1755
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:35,040
range and again if you go on the photo

1756
01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:37,679
page on the phoenix lights.net

1757
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:40,239
uh website you'll see the topography

1758
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:42,560
there's one little area

1759
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:45,440
right behind the the uh airport actually

1760
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:47,760
where south mountain and the estrellas

1761
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:48,880
intersect

1762
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:49,760
so

1763
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:51,280
after the mad fighting this was six

1764
01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:53,199
months before the mass i think i that i

1765
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:54,880
presented there and after the math site

1766
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:56,960
and i i noticed and it's you know i

1767
01:12:00,870 --> 01:11:58,560
always say the data speaks for itself

1768
01:12:03,189 --> 01:12:00,880
it's it's in the pictures and they're 35

1769
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,199
millimeter it's in the negatives um

1770
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:05,440
these phenomena seem to be popping up

1771
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:07,840
right in that area so i called them up

1772
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:09,920
and i said did anybody happen to see

1773
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,640
strange lights on march 13th and they

1774
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:14,640
started to giggle and i said is that

1775
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:16,000
funny and they said are you kidding

1776
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:17,120
we've been looking up at them for

1777
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:19,679
centuries we call them sky beings light

1778
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:21,520
beings sky

1779
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:23,360
um which is really interesting because i

1780
01:12:28,229 --> 01:12:26,239
had no clue about that either and here i

1781
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:28,239
when i really started looking into that

1782
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:30,800
aspect which is very intriguing uh

1783
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:33,600
indigenous groups worldwide not only

1784
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:35,120
accept the fact that there are other

1785
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:38,320
intelligences out there but native

1786
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:40,640
americans particularly the hopi and

1787
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:43,600
others had protocols to actually invite

1788
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:45,280
these phenomena in

1789
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:47,120
some believe that their ancestors that

1790
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:48,880
are coming to give them

1791
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:51,280
comfort and uh motivation and

1792
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:53,520
inspiration and and i have to say the

1793
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:54,880
bottom line is i've certainly been

1794
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:56,480
inspired to do what i'm doing for

1795
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,640
whatever reason but um i found that

1796
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,239
really intriguing in the australia

1797
01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:02,400
actually got its name because these

1798
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:03,760
phenomena have been happening for

1799
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:06,000
centuries and there's petroglyphs right

1800
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:07,360
on the mountains there and south

1801
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:08,480
mountain and the australians that are

1802
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:12,000
exactly somebody found exactly like what

1803
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:14,159
my husband and i saw these these uh

1804
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:16,320
triangle formations of three lights i

1805
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:18,640
mean it's so fascinating and they also

1806
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:20,640
believe that there's a gate gateway or

1807
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:21,600
portal

1808
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:23,920
in that area gateway to the stars the

1809
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:26,159
estrella mountains so that's intriguing

1810
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:27,600
in and of itself and we can get into

1811
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:29,440
that more if you'd like later but you

1812
01:13:34,390 --> 01:13:31,920
know getting to the mass sighting um if

1813
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:34,400
people don't know about it weeks tests

1814
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,560
and i kept seeing these these lights

1815
01:13:40,630 --> 01:13:38,239
information and i kept in contact with

1816
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:40,640
the air traffic controllers by the way

1817
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:41,679
and

1818
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:45,840
because i knew nothing about the topic

1819
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:47,440
didn't know anyone connected to even

1820
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:50,080
show the picture from 95

1821
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:53,040
a friend of a friend because i actually

1822
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:54,159
got to the point where it was getting

1823
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:55,840
ridiculous i had to find out what these

1824
01:13:59,910 --> 01:13:58,159
things were and i started showing the

1825
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:59,920
video which does not do it justice

1826
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:02,000
anybody that sees the video they're much

1827
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:03,679
smaller they flicker

1828
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:06,000
they're white but nonetheless the

1829
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:08,159
informations are very compelling 35

1830
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:10,000
millimeter is the best way to analyze

1831
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:11,360
them by the way but i started showing

1832
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:13,360
the video to my friends and

1833
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:15,760
finally a friend of a friend had a

1834
01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:18,000
neighbor who had a friend who knew the

1835
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:20,239
past president of mufon mutual ufo

1836
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:22,800
network so i called him up i said i've

1837
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:24,800
been seeing these lights for weeks he

1838
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:26,159
had not heard of it but there were other

1839
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:28,159
people actually that were also seeing

1840
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:29,600
them and photographing them for weeks

1841
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:30,560
before

1842
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:32,640
and i said i have a picture from 95 that

1843
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:34,719
i know is authentic but i'd love someone

1844
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,239
of credence to take a look at it and he

1845
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:40,560
refers me to a mufon field investigator

1846
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:42,880
for the following wednesday

1847
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:45,280
he calls me up tuesday to the stone

1848
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:47,360
because the then state director's mom

1849
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:49,199
had passed on saturday the funeral was

1850
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:51,600
wednesday the only window of opportunity

1851
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:53,840
i had was friday morning at 10 o'clock

1852
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:56,640
he said fine well unbeknownst to me

1853
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:58,960
thursday night i see the same thing that

1854
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:00,719
i had been seeing for weeks

1855
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:03,520
and actually captured video of the three

1856
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:05,679
endpoints the same exact phenomena in

1857
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:07,520
the same exact location as two months

1858
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:08,800
before

1859
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:11,679
and i knock on his door and he opens the

1860
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:13,760
door and i have video in hand and he

1861
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:15,520
says to me did you see the man sighting

1862
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:16,640
last night

1863
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:19,440
and i said excuse me i saw something

1864
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:21,280
similar to two months ago he said no no

1865
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:23,600
no hundreds if not thousands of people

1866
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:26,560
uh were looking up skyward for a glimpse

1867
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:28,080
of the hail bob comet which was very

1868
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:30,239
clear in the northwest sky when they

1869
01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:32,800
also put a glimpse of a mile to two mile

1870
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:35,120
wide either these orbs

1871
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:37,120
like the air traffic controllers

1872
01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:39,120
mentioned that seem to be attached to

1873
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:40,960
something around a force field holding

1874
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:44,320
them in rock solid equidistant array or

1875
01:15:48,830 --> 01:15:46,480
craft and that's the other thing i have

1876
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:48,840
to tell you jimmy there is so much

1877
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:50,800
misinformation out there whoever's

1878
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,080
listening if you heard that there was

1879
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:54,719
one or two events and um

1880
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:56,880
you know we'll get to the flare thing um

1881
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:59,280
there were many many events okay and

1882
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:01,120
we're talking for many hours not just

1883
01:16:05,830 --> 01:16:02,960
one or two hours certainly the bulk of

1884
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:05,840
people calling into luke air force base

1885
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:07,679
who denied that anybody called there but

1886
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:09,360
a lot of people got the number from the

1887
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:10,960
national europa reporting center from

1888
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:14,159
calling luke as well as yeah really and

1889
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:16,640
no it's amazing when you really

1890
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:18,960
you know look at the facts and not you

1891
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:20,560
know phoenix police said they didn't get

1892
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:22,960
any calls and we actually have a 911

1893
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:24,880
police operator who retired a couple

1894
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:27,040
years ago and she you know came to me

1895
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:28,719
after a presentation and said you know i

1896
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:30,000
heard they said they only got a few

1897
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:31,520
calls well i was there that night and

1898
01:16:36,070 --> 01:16:33,040
they got hundreds of calls and she's

1899
01:16:38,709 --> 01:16:36,080
fabulous she's in the documentary um

1900
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,719
but anyway uh that night thousands of

1901
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:40,480
people were watching as

1902
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:41,280
these

1903
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:43,679
mile to two mile wide craft starting at

1904
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:46,159
three pm in the afternoon okay we have

1905
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:48,400
daylight sightings here in arizona

1906
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:51,520
5 30 there's reports by native americans

1907
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:54,159
in new mexico seven o'clock hour people

1908
01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:56,000
were seeing the same phenomenon in

1909
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:58,719
california and there was actually

1910
01:17:02,709 --> 01:16:59,920
a um

1911
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:02,719
a plane that was leaving from phoenix to

1912
01:17:06,390 --> 01:17:05,280
california and about 11 o'clock they

1913
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:06,400
were over

1914
01:17:10,870 --> 01:17:09,280
vegas and one of these crafts covered

1915
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:10,880
vegas and there were eight or nine

1916
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:12,800
different crafts okay

1917
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:15,280
there's a 12-year compilation

1918
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:17,040
from the national ufo reporting center

1919
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:19,280
thousands of reports to the national ufo

1920
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:21,520
reporting center in seattle to village

1921
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:23,199
labs which is the clearinghouse here at

1922
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:26,400
computer lab as well as uh councilwoman

1923
01:17:30,310 --> 01:17:28,159
frances barwood she was vice mayor at

1924
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:30,320
the time and she was the only elected

1925
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:33,760
official that innocently in may asked

1926
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:36,560
for an investigation um and she got

1927
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:38,719
plastered by the media well i felt that

1928
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:41,199
i felt so bad for her

1929
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:44,480
i i did i felt so bad she she was

1930
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:46,320
concerned you could see it on her face

1931
01:17:50,070 --> 01:17:47,840
every single day

1932
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:50,080
and i've i just felt so bad she stuck

1933
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:52,480
her absolutely she got thousands of you

1934
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:54,159
know a thousand calls and she called

1935
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:56,880
back most everybody in fact i you know i

1936
01:18:02,149 --> 01:17:59,120
finally found felt brave enough once she

1937
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:02,159
did uh ask for you know an investigation

1938
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:04,080
to call her and tell her that i had you

1939
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:05,760
know additional information i mean that

1940
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:08,239
was crucial to the investigation for her

1941
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:10,880
to even know that um but also arizona

1942
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:13,760
mufon they they got many many reports

1943
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:16,080
and there was a 12-year compilation by

1944
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:18,159
michael tanner who is no longer with us

1945
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:21,199
unfortunately and uh bill hamilton and

1946
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:24,480
um they found if two or more people saw

1947
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:27,440
the same craft uh that they put it into

1948
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:29,840
the to the study and here there are

1949
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:31,760
eight or nine different craft that

1950
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:34,159
people saw okay mile wide craft now

1951
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,080
whether it was one craft that could

1952
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:38,400
morph into looking different or the

1953
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:40,080
perspective from where the person was

1954
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:43,040
standing right or a parade and i have to

1955
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:45,120
say jimmy that's what the investigators

1956
01:18:49,270 --> 01:18:47,600
say for 12 years of studying this data

1957
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:49,280
finally concluded that there was a

1958
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:51,440
parade throughout the state because if

1959
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:52,960
you really look at the data there were

1960
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:54,960
many things happening at the same time

1961
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:57,199
and i mentioned the vegas they saw one

1962
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:59,360
of these craft cover vegas and they

1963
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:01,120
actually called the radar to see if they

1964
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:03,760
were getting anything and another pilot

1965
01:19:08,070 --> 01:19:05,440
commercial pilot we're talking big

1966
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:08,080
commercial airlines uh called in because

1967
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:09,679
it was right near him and he was like

1968
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:11,679
all frantic and then suddenly there was

1969
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:13,679
a very authoritative voice that came on

1970
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:16,239
and this was about 11 11 30 and i um

1971
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:18,400
came on the the speaker and kind of

1972
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:20,400
freaked out the pilots and said you know

1973
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:22,080
what are you seeing and gonna get me

1974
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:24,320
into details and so they kind of backed

1975
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:25,679
off and said well we don't see it

1976
01:19:29,189 --> 01:19:27,360
anymore to kind of freak them out that

1977
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:29,199
there was you know some strange voice on

1978
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:32,239
the on the radar and um speaker and then

1979
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,280
as they're approaching uh california

1980
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:37,679
about in the 11 o'clock hour

1981
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:39,679
all of a sudden they were 30 000 feet

1982
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:42,080
all of a sudden very close to them like

1983
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:45,040
less than a mile they see a giant flare

1984
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:47,040
okay out of nowhere

1985
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:50,640
and suddenly moments later a military

1986
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:52,560
jet on the other side

1987
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:54,640
going in the opposite direction goes

1988
01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:56,320
past them like with his passing with

1989
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:58,480
afterburners on the in fact the pilot

1990
01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:00,239
said she jumped out of her

1991
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:01,920
out of her seat i have the whole detail

1992
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:04,880
in my in my book but at any rate um it

1993
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:06,719
freaked the pilots out i mean they they

1994
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:09,040
felt that somebody was trying to

1995
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:11,679
you know shut them up or or freak them

1996
01:20:14,630 --> 01:20:13,360
out which they did but at any rate there

1997
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:14,640
was also

1998
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:18,880
a call at 3 am the next morning from an

1999
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:21,360
alleged crewmen and very detailed and

2000
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:22,719
and recorded and that's in our

2001
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:24,239
documentary as well

2002
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:27,600
um recorded uh

2003
01:20:34,390 --> 01:20:28,400
the

2004
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:34,400
centers uh peter davenport that about 8

2005
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:37,120
30 one of these craft was hovering right

2006
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:39,040
in the center of phoenix 7th avenue and

2007
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:41,520
indian school and two military jets were

2008
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:44,320
sent out to intercept or get gun cameras

2009
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:47,120
so much i heard that they did get um and

2010
01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:49,440
as they approached

2011
01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:51,760
the lights started to dim and as they

2012
01:20:56,630 --> 01:20:53,920
got a little closer less than a mile

2013
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:56,640
away the whole thing just disappeared

2014
01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:58,400
and the crewman said that he was one of

2015
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:00,080
the people to help one of the pilots out

2016
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:02,159
of his craft because he was so shaken up

2017
01:21:07,270 --> 01:21:04,880
by it and that luke was

2018
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,280
was on lockdown after that so they knew

2019
01:21:11,669 --> 01:21:09,360
that something was going on now this

2020
01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:11,679
continued now the bulk of of reports as

2021
01:21:15,669 --> 01:21:13,760
i mentioned earlier came between eight

2022
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:15,679
and ten o'clock that's why people kind

2023
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:17,520
of focus on that because most people

2024
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:19,120
were outside then and and people were

2025
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:20,320
playing golf people were playing

2026
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:22,800
baseball whatever and going to the mall

2027
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:24,880
lots of kids saw it and we'll talk about

2028
01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:27,679
their reaction uh in a few minutes but

2029
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:30,719
at any rate um but the sightings

2030
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:32,719
continue all night

2031
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:35,120
until 5 30 next morning wait listen to

2032
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:37,679
this 5 30 next morning there was a crew

2033
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:39,840
from boeing a boeing crew that came into

2034
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:42,080
work and one of the crafts was hovering

2035
01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:43,840
right over their tarmac so this was

2036
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:46,400
happening for many many hours and many

2037
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:47,840
many things were happening at the same

2038
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:50,560
time at different locations so yeah that

2039
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:52,880
that was my question so vegas and

2040
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:55,679
california everything was thursday march

2041
01:22:00,629 --> 01:21:58,239
13th and going into the wee hours of the

2042
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:00,639
morning of the 14th right

2043
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:02,480
right and but let's not forget that this

2044
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:04,880
is happening weeks before in fact steve

2045
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:07,440
blonder who was seeing them as well and

2046
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:09,360
documenting him on film as well and in a

2047
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:11,760
whole nother area of the city

2048
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:15,520
paul's mufon up to his uh balcony

2049
01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:17,440
the night of march 13th because he was

2050
01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:18,800
so intrigued by these and wanted to know

2051
01:22:23,830 --> 01:22:20,960
what they were these strange lights and

2052
01:22:26,629 --> 01:22:23,840
formations that they happen to be there

2053
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:26,639
at that moment when an arrowhead of five

2054
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:28,800
lights and and again all you have to do

2055
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:31,360
is look at the data it speaks for itself

2056
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:33,280
those lights are either attached to

2057
01:22:37,830 --> 01:22:34,320
something

2058
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:37,840
or if they're rock-solid information or

2059
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:40,639
there's a force field in between and he

2060
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:42,960
got amazing footage but but this is how

2061
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,679
ironic it was because here i walk in

2062
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:47,440
with video in hand

2063
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:49,520
the very next morning

2064
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:51,520
and just by chance because i had

2065
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:53,440
postponed a meeting from wednesday to

2066
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:56,400
friday and you know the mufon

2067
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,840
investigator said did you see the mass

2068
01:23:01,350 --> 01:22:59,520
sighting last night and i told him i saw

2069
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:01,360
something similar to two months before

2070
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:03,120
and he said no no you know thousands of

2071
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,400
people saw this and nbc was coming

2072
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:08,400
to interview him in a half an hour well

2073
01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:10,000
i used to do health reporting i started

2074
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,679
an nbc in philadelphia with jessica

2075
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:13,920
savage if you remember the name yeah and

2076
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:15,679
yeah and a syndication grew from that

2077
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:17,679
when we moved here in 1980 this

2078
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:19,600
indication was already showing at cbs

2079
01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:21,360
here and then i started doing health

2080
01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:24,400
tips in the early 80s at nbc here so as

2081
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:26,560
soon as he said that i said whoa i said

2082
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:28,239
i'm out of here i said i don't know what

2083
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:29,920
we're dealing with if it's a hoax or

2084
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:31,600
military or whatever

2085
01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:33,440
but you know what it's not about me and

2086
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:34,960
it's never been about me jimmy it's

2087
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:37,040
about the data and i said you know what

2088
01:23:40,870 --> 01:23:39,199
take a copy of the video i'd love people

2089
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:40,880
to see what we saw i don't know what it

2090
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:43,440
is but you know take it and show it to

2091
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:45,679
whoever uh and i'm out of here and i

2092
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:48,639
left by 4 30 that next day

2093
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:50,719
and that that was the day after the mass

2094
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:51,920
sighting

2095
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:54,560
the first news that came on my video was

2096
01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:56,960
plastered on every news station it was

2097
01:24:01,590 --> 01:23:58,719
like it was exciting

2098
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:01,600
i told you what happened to me uh i was

2099
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:04,080
in phoenix that week i had just gotten

2100
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:05,120
home

2101
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:07,520
uh that friday night i come into my

2102
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:09,920
apartment my condo here in in sherman

2103
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:13,600
oaks i come in i put my luggage down and

2104
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:15,120
you know it's i don't know maybe nine

2105
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:17,440
o'clock 10 o'clock at night and i turn

2106
01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:18,800
on my tv

2107
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:20,960
and the news is on

2108
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:22,000
and

2109
01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:31,440
last night in phoenix you know a ufo

2110
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:34,480
and and i'm watching and and i was i was

2111
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:37,520
in phoenix monday through friday

2112
01:24:43,270 --> 01:24:40,400
and i don't know how i missed it the

2113
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:43,280
entire city saw it but me and the people

2114
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:45,360
that i were with uh

2115
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:47,360
we just we were

2116
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:49,040
not in a position we were you know

2117
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:51,120
either inside at a restaurant

2118
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:54,080
or or inside a studio what have you but

2119
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:55,600
the most exciting thing that could have

2120
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:57,199
ever happened in my lifetime was going

2121
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:59,679
on right outside and i missed it and you

2122
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:01,040
were you were here you must have felt

2123
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:03,360
the energy

2124
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:06,719
i i can't i can't relay enough how upset

2125
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:07,840
i was

2126
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:09,520
a lot of people were they didn't see it

2127
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:11,280
they still you know the people that did

2128
01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:12,560
though that's that was really

2129
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:14,320
significant too because

2130
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:15,840
you know it it

2131
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:19,040
it's something that was so profound and

2132
01:25:23,189 --> 01:25:21,040
so amazing and we're talking you know

2133
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:23,199
throughout the state and beyond and you

2134
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:25,600
know when you talk about um you know

2135
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:27,600
real time and long term how it affected

2136
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:28,800
people which i want to get into in my

2137
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:31,520
workshop with the contact in the desert

2138
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:33,760
um you know kids were usually the first

2139
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:36,800
ones to see it and we're so inundated in

2140
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:38,880
the media with breakthrough threat and

2141
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:41,840
harm harm that you know dr gary schwartz

2142
01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:44,080
who's the head of consciousness uh

2143
01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:46,000
department content studies department at

2144
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:47,840
the university of arizona made a very

2145
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:50,320
poignant statement in the documentary by

2146
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:51,920
saying that you know if you're fearful

2147
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:53,199
of something how do you think you're

2148
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:55,600
going to react when you see it so you

2149
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:57,679
know kids it's because independence day

2150
01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:00,239
movie was very popular six months before

2151
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,239
the mass sighting and when they were

2152
01:26:06,149 --> 01:26:04,639
seeing this mile wide v come towards

2153
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:06,159
them they were jumping up and down

2154
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:08,400
independence day independence day but as

2155
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,080
it got closer

2156
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:12,400
a calmness came over everyone adults as

2157
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:15,679
well as children a connectedness to the

2158
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:19,600
phenomena so amazing in real time it

2159
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:22,480
changed people in real time and as it

2160
01:26:26,149 --> 01:26:24,400
passed over and we're talking very low

2161
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:26,159
altitude some some people said they

2162
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:27,360
could have thrown a rock out it was

2163
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:30,480
rooftop level and totally silent that's

2164
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:32,080
the other thing i have to tell you but

2165
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:34,000
after after it passed uh you know the

2166
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:35,360
kids wanted to run after it i mean it

2167
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:37,600
was amazing in real time and also the

2168
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:40,080
technology that's another thing it's 18

2169
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:42,719
years jimmy 18 years since that happened

2170
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:44,880
we haven't seen anything even close to

2171
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:47,280
this technology because not only was it

2172
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:49,600
a mile to two mile wide and very

2173
01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:50,480
credible

2174
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,239
reports

2175
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:54,719
that extended on both sides of the

2176
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:56,239
highway as people were coming up the

2177
01:27:01,750 --> 01:26:59,360
highway to phoenix from tucson but

2178
01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:01,760
it was totally silent some people saw it

2179
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:04,159
take off at blink speed some people saw

2180
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:05,440
it disappear like that like what

2181
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:07,120
happened in the middle of phoenix when

2182
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:09,600
the military approached it other people

2183
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:11,600
saw these orbs

2184
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:14,400
detach from the main object go out into

2185
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:16,960
the environment and then re-dock with it

2186
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:18,880
i mean we're talking incredible

2187
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:21,120
technology we haven't seen anything that

2188
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:23,040
comes close to that have we

2189
01:27:26,910 --> 01:27:25,440
no and what about

2190
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:26,920
before

2191
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:32,400
lights uh

2192
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:34,400
i want to use a word there uh it's a

2193
01:27:37,430 --> 01:27:36,000
sighting incident what have you

2194
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:37,440
experience

2195
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:40,560
uh anything uh what was your life like

2196
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:43,280
before that were you just an uh if there

2197
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,320
was such a thing a normal doctor

2198
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:48,719
yeah i was so busy i have to tell you

2199
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:49,840
between

2200
01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:52,320
my my health reporting and i had a

2201
01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:53,840
company health education learning

2202
01:27:57,669 --> 01:27:55,760
programs help incorporate it to produce

2203
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:57,679
these video and workbook curriculums on

2204
01:28:02,149 --> 01:28:00,080
vital health issues and bringing up two

2205
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:02,159
sons to be productive caring adults

2206
01:28:06,310 --> 01:28:04,719
which they are and uh you know i was

2207
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:06,320
pretty busy i had no interest or

2208
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,480
knowledge of this topic at all just

2209
01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:10,560
stayed away from it didn't you know it

2210
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:12,560
really didn't appeal to me but i have to

2211
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:14,159
tell you once you see something and

2212
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:16,000
people know that that are listening out

2213
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:19,040
there most most anomalies i have to say

2214
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:22,000
this most anomalies can be explained

2215
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:24,719
only a small percentage cannot but just

2216
01:28:28,709 --> 01:28:26,800
because we don't have the technology yet

2217
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:28,719
to definitively define what these things

2218
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,199
are it doesn't mean they're not real we

2219
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:33,360
may just be looking on the an dial for

2220
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:35,760
an fm frequency and people ask me all

2221
01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:37,440
the time well what were they you know

2222
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:39,920
what i don't know to this day i have no

2223
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:42,239
idea what they were all i know is that

2224
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:44,800
they were and and they are and it's time

2225
01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:47,120
we get this topic out in the open

2226
01:28:52,229 --> 01:28:49,600
we address it we accept it and we study

2227
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:52,239
it so we can move forward and not only

2228
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:54,400
find out who's driving these things but

2229
01:28:58,950 --> 01:28:56,480
move forward in our own evolution you

2230
01:29:02,070 --> 01:28:58,960
know we're right on the precipice now of

2231
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:02,080
of of going to the next step to realize

2232
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:03,840
that we're not alone in the universe i

2233
01:29:07,110 --> 01:29:04,800
mean if you just look at the whole

2234
01:29:09,189 --> 01:29:07,120
picture now with we've come a long way

2235
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:09,199
by the way in ten years since i came

2236
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:12,000
forward in 2004 the accepted and the

2237
01:29:15,669 --> 01:29:13,760
official uh

2238
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:15,679
except for the witnesses of course um

2239
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:17,679
explanation of the phoenix lights was

2240
01:29:20,709 --> 01:29:19,040
that they were merely military

2241
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:20,719
illumination flares and i'll get to how

2242
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:22,080
that transpired because that's a really

2243
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:24,719
interesting story in and of itself and

2244
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:27,280
now worldwide it's not only my work but

2245
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:28,880
certainly incredible people coming

2246
01:29:34,229 --> 01:29:31,760
forward and we'll talk about that too um

2247
01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:34,239
they have really gotten the information

2248
01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:36,880
out there and social media as well that

2249
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:39,280
now people worldwide you just you you go

2250
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:41,280
on youtube and you put in phoenix lights

2251
01:29:44,950 --> 01:29:42,880
there's people all over the world that

2252
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:44,960
look up to the sky and see similar

2253
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:47,120
phenomena these orbs information or the

2254
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:50,320
mile white or triangle craft and they

2255
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:52,000
point and say well there's the phoenix

2256
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:54,000
lights well that's pretty cool that's

2257
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:56,800
pretty cool it's the the the um raising

2258
01:29:59,830 --> 01:29:59,040
of awareness and and getting this out

2259
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:59,840
there

2260
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:02,000
and certainly social media has helped

2261
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:04,560
has been amazing but getting back to how

2262
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:06,560
the story unfolded which is really

2263
01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:09,120
interesting in and of itself because

2264
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:11,280
after the initial

2265
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:12,639
hoopla

2266
01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:14,960
there was nothing there was no

2267
01:30:19,750 --> 01:30:17,840
investigation there was no explanation

2268
01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:19,760
in fact people went to the middle i did

2269
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:21,360
i called the military i mean they were

2270
01:30:26,470 --> 01:30:23,280
just as curious as we were there was

2271
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:26,480
there was nothing nothing and

2272
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:29,040
it wasn't until

2273
01:30:35,030 --> 01:30:31,040
june 18

2274
01:30:36,070 --> 01:30:35,040
1997 a front page usa today article

2275
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:36,080
came out

2276
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:37,920
for the first time there was no social

2277
01:30:41,510 --> 01:30:39,520
media then either the internet was

2278
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:41,520
really in its infancy

2279
01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:44,960
but overnight i'm talking overnight it

2280
01:30:49,510 --> 01:30:47,600
was on every news station peter jennings

2281
01:30:51,270 --> 01:30:49,520
dan rather and i'm going to be showing

2282
01:30:52,390 --> 01:30:51,280
uh some of the some of the things that i

2283
01:30:54,629 --> 01:30:52,400
kept track of everything because my

2284
01:30:57,350 --> 01:30:54,639
video was in it

2285
01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:57,360
i was there by vhs you know machine gun

2286
01:31:01,750 --> 01:30:59,679
getting everything i could um so some of

2287
01:31:03,910 --> 01:31:01,760
this stuff nobody seen and except the

2288
01:31:06,149 --> 01:31:03,920
people that saw it initially but but at

2289
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:06,159
any rate um it's fascinating what

2290
01:31:11,990 --> 01:31:09,840
happened because uh after nothing

2291
01:31:16,070 --> 01:31:12,000
later that morning the very next day

2292
01:31:17,910 --> 01:31:16,080
june 19th former governor feisting

2293
01:31:19,590 --> 01:31:17,920
announces that he's calling an

2294
01:31:22,629 --> 01:31:19,600
unscheduled press conference that

2295
01:31:25,030 --> 01:31:22,639
afternoon to reveal the culprit of the

2296
01:31:27,510 --> 01:31:25,040
lights over phoenix okay

2297
01:31:29,590 --> 01:31:27,520
and people took it really seriously

2298
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:29,600
and there was media there there were

2299
01:31:34,709 --> 01:31:32,080
witnesses there and he comes marching

2300
01:31:36,709 --> 01:31:34,719
out one of his aides with a giant alien

2301
01:31:40,070 --> 01:31:36,719
head costume have you seen that oh yeah

2302
01:31:41,430 --> 01:31:40,080
we all have yeah yeah and made a mockery

2303
01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:41,440
of the whole thing and i have to say

2304
01:31:46,550 --> 01:31:44,400
that um i even had one of the people

2305
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:46,560
that was guarding him and that came up

2306
01:31:50,550 --> 01:31:48,560
to me last year we have an event which

2307
01:31:52,629 --> 01:31:50,560
was sold out again this year um every

2308
01:31:54,470 --> 01:31:52,639
year uh showing the documentary and we

2309
01:31:56,470 --> 01:31:54,480
have speakers we just had travis walton

2310
01:31:57,750 --> 01:31:56,480
and arizona rangers who are amazing

2311
01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:57,760
they're law enforcement that are

2312
01:32:02,229 --> 01:31:59,920
actually taking this seriously and

2313
01:32:06,229 --> 01:32:02,239
investigating these phenomena in the

2314
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:06,239
navajo nation but anyway um you know

2315
01:32:12,070 --> 01:32:09,280
it's it's amazing how we've come full

2316
01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:12,080
circle and and we just had the uh the

2317
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:15,440
event um going back to uh

2318
01:32:19,270 --> 01:32:17,840
um you know this what what happened with

2319
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:19,280
the with the uh

2320
01:32:23,830 --> 01:32:20,239
uh

2321
01:32:25,510 --> 01:32:23,840
governor is that a month later

2322
01:32:27,669 --> 01:32:25,520
and i called the military again and they

2323
01:32:29,110 --> 01:32:27,679
weren't given any information and they

2324
01:32:31,270 --> 01:32:29,120
didn't know they really denied some of

2325
01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:31,280
the conversations in my book i get a

2326
01:32:36,629 --> 01:32:34,080
call from the head of pr

2327
01:32:39,030 --> 01:32:36,639
at the air national guard now this was

2328
01:32:41,350 --> 01:32:39,040
july 24th

2329
01:32:43,270 --> 01:32:41,360
and she says um because i have to tell

2330
01:32:45,030 --> 01:32:43,280
you we were inundated by the way

2331
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:45,040
by media from all over the world and

2332
01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:46,960
once they started talking to them to the

2333
01:32:51,350 --> 01:32:49,600
witnesses their stories were so detailed

2334
01:32:53,189 --> 01:32:51,360
and so heartfelt that they too were

2335
01:32:54,870 --> 01:32:53,199
pushing for an investigation why isn't

2336
01:32:56,229 --> 01:32:54,880
there an investigation why isn't there

2337
01:32:59,270 --> 01:32:56,239
an explanation

2338
01:33:01,110 --> 01:32:59,280
anyway um i get a call from um the head

2339
01:33:02,709 --> 01:33:01,120
of pr at air national guard and she says

2340
01:33:04,629 --> 01:33:02,719
dr lynn i think we know what those

2341
01:33:06,550 --> 01:33:04,639
lights were back in march and i was

2342
01:33:09,189 --> 01:33:06,560
really thrilled because i was looking

2343
01:33:11,270 --> 01:33:09,199
for any logical explanation and i said

2344
01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:11,280
you do and she says do you believe in

2345
01:33:14,550 --> 01:33:12,880
all these months

2346
01:33:16,470 --> 01:33:14,560
and we're talking from march to the end

2347
01:33:18,629 --> 01:33:16,480
of july yeah five months

2348
01:33:20,950 --> 01:33:18,639
right that nobody ever looked at the log

2349
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:20,960
for visiting air national guard and the

2350
01:33:26,149 --> 01:33:23,600
maryland air national guard was sending

2351
01:33:28,470 --> 01:33:26,159
off flares and operation snowbird which

2352
01:33:31,030 --> 01:33:28,480
i later found out meant in military

2353
01:33:31,830 --> 01:33:31,040
terms diversionary tactical maneuvers

2354
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:31,840
okay

2355
01:33:34,470 --> 01:33:33,199
there's been a diversion ever since

2356
01:33:36,310 --> 01:33:34,480
whether they did it or not because we

2357
01:33:39,189 --> 01:33:36,320
don't have one person that describes

2358
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:39,199
flares okay and she says that must be

2359
01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:41,280
what some people saw that's exactly what

2360
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:44,000
she said and i said well wait a minute

2361
01:33:46,790 --> 01:33:45,280
when were they in town one was the

2362
01:33:49,030 --> 01:33:46,800
maryland international garden town she

2363
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:49,040
says march 1st to the 15th

2364
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:50,960
i said were they in town in january she

2365
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:53,440
says oh no i said are you sure she said

2366
01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:56,400
absolutely not i said well i have

2367
01:34:00,629 --> 01:33:58,639
photographs 35 millimeter photographs of

2368
01:34:04,310 --> 01:34:00,639
the same exact phenomena in the same

2369
01:34:05,590 --> 01:34:04,320
exact location as march 13th confirmed

2370
01:34:07,590 --> 01:34:05,600
the next morning by air traffic

2371
01:34:09,669 --> 01:34:07,600
controllers in january and the morning

2372
01:34:11,590 --> 01:34:09,679
after the mass sighting is hovering over

2373
01:34:13,510 --> 01:34:11,600
class b restricted airspace a thousand

2374
01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:13,520
feet altitude and she says you never

2375
01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:15,040
told me that

2376
01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:17,120
and then i said besides you're trying to

2377
01:34:20,629 --> 01:34:18,560
tell me i try to educate myself on

2378
01:34:22,870 --> 01:34:20,639
anything logical including flares you're

2379
01:34:25,189 --> 01:34:22,880
trying to tell me that um

2380
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:25,199
military illumination flares that drift

2381
01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:27,280
and drop with the wind on parachutes

2382
01:34:31,189 --> 01:34:28,719
have huge smoke trails that are

2383
01:34:33,110 --> 01:34:31,199
illuminated by the flare itself

2384
01:34:35,830 --> 01:34:33,120
and are supposed to illuminate the area

2385
01:34:38,070 --> 01:34:35,840
around it which nobody described

2386
01:34:41,189 --> 01:34:38,080
traverse the entire state in a

2387
01:34:44,950 --> 01:34:41,199
rock-solid equidistantly spaced v

2388
01:34:46,629 --> 01:34:44,960
formation for hours and she says i have

2389
01:34:50,390 --> 01:34:46,639
a call coming in i'll get back to you

2390
01:34:54,550 --> 01:34:53,590
but anyway 15 years yeah 15 18 years

2391
01:34:57,270 --> 01:34:54,560
later

2392
01:34:59,350 --> 01:34:57,280
well wait a minute so so then um you

2393
01:35:01,350 --> 01:34:59,360
know that that whole thing kind of put a

2394
01:35:02,629 --> 01:35:01,360
lid on things they had to come up with

2395
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:02,639
you know i try to figure out why did

2396
01:35:05,430 --> 01:35:03,920
they come up with this because it was

2397
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:05,440
just so ridiculous i mean they're

2398
01:35:08,310 --> 01:35:06,880
they're obviously wearing flares people

2399
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:08,320
were seeing craft right above their

2400
01:35:13,590 --> 01:35:10,480
heads people were describing looking

2401
01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:13,600
into these giant wells of uh spinning

2402
01:35:17,110 --> 01:35:14,400
energy

2403
01:35:19,910 --> 01:35:17,120
and just unbelievable descriptions but

2404
01:35:23,590 --> 01:35:19,920
any rate um but still being a healthy

2405
01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:23,600
skeptic um open to you know any logical

2406
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:26,320
explanation if i see it in the meantime

2407
01:35:32,390 --> 01:35:29,280
three years later we're talking 2 000.

2408
01:35:34,950 --> 01:35:32,400
former governor uh former vice mayor

2409
01:35:37,590 --> 01:35:34,960
councilwoman francis barwood bless her

2410
01:35:40,870 --> 01:35:37,600
soul um announces that she's going to

2411
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:40,880
run for secretary of state on a platform

2412
01:35:44,070 --> 01:35:42,400
to get answers

2413
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:44,080
about the phoenix fights

2414
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:46,560
and asking quite publicly for a

2415
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:48,719
re-enactment okay

2416
01:35:54,709 --> 01:35:52,320
and you know hey if it's a military now

2417
01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:54,719
mind you i had 35 millimeter pictures

2418
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:56,080
not only video of the night of march

2419
01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:58,719
13th but 30 mile meter pictures two

2420
01:36:01,990 --> 01:36:00,560
months before the same phenomena and

2421
01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:02,000
when you go back

2422
01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:04,080
which we did a year after the mass

2423
01:36:08,229 --> 01:36:04,960
lighting

2424
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:08,239
uh to the 95 pictures which if we have

2425
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:10,400
time we can get into the analysis that

2426
01:36:15,430 --> 01:36:13,040
doctor um maybe optical physicist dr

2427
01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:15,440
bruce mcabee did in 99.

2428
01:36:18,870 --> 01:36:17,520
but um which is very poignant in and of

2429
01:36:20,550 --> 01:36:18,880
itself but

2430
01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:20,560
if you look at those pictures on the

2431
01:36:24,390 --> 01:36:23,360
photo page on the phoenixblades.net

2432
01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:24,400
website

2433
01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:26,320
the same exact phenomenon is in the

2434
01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:28,400
background in the same spot there too

2435
01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:30,000
disappearing as we were watching the

2436
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:32,400
closed orbs so anyway i knew that i had

2437
01:36:35,669 --> 01:36:34,639
pictures that showed

2438
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:35,679
the same

2439
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:36,960
you know whoever did this did it

2440
01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:39,520
multiple times do it again if it's

2441
01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:41,920
military okay i'm open

2442
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:44,320
well they finally announced on march the

2443
01:36:46,550 --> 01:36:45,280
7th

2444
01:36:48,709 --> 01:36:46,560
2000

2445
01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:48,719
that three air national guards and this

2446
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:50,639
was really public i mean they did on the

2447
01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:53,679
radio on tv in the paper that three

2448
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:55,199
international guards i believe it was

2449
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:57,280
new york michigan and california they

2450
01:37:00,149 --> 01:36:58,960
must have been practicing for months

2451
01:37:02,709 --> 01:37:00,159
we're going to show everybody the

2452
01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:02,719
phoenix flights now whether they thought

2453
01:37:08,229 --> 01:37:04,960
that it would just confuse the issue

2454
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:08,239
again or put a you know put it to rest i

2455
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:09,600
don't know but

2456
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:11,760
let me tell you something the only thing

2457
01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:15,440
that they could um debunk by the way

2458
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:17,280
when it came down to it they could blow

2459
01:37:20,629 --> 01:37:18,639
off people's stories but there were a

2460
01:37:22,870 --> 01:37:20,639
handful of videos

2461
01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:22,880
that's that could not be explained i

2462
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:24,320
mean they're pretty impressive if you

2463
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:26,320
look at my video the three endpoints of

2464
01:37:31,830 --> 01:37:29,360
a vr triangle the arrowhead that were

2465
01:37:34,709 --> 01:37:31,840
taken before 10 o'clock and there were

2466
01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:34,719
two boomerangs after 10 o'clock one is

2467
01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:36,639
really impressive mike kristen's is

2468
01:37:40,390 --> 01:37:38,400
really impressive the other one is a

2469
01:37:42,470 --> 01:37:40,400
little haphazard could have been flares

2470
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:42,480
okay they may have sent flares off

2471
01:37:45,669 --> 01:37:43,440
whatever

2472
01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:45,679
but at any rate it's like fine if you

2473
01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:48,000
can do it again and show us what we

2474
01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:49,600
originally saw

2475
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:51,040
hey okay

2476
01:37:56,470 --> 01:37:53,840
well i have to tell you if you go on the

2477
01:37:59,830 --> 01:37:56,480
news page on the phoenix latest network

2478
01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:59,840
fanface network uh website and go down

2479
01:38:06,950 --> 01:38:01,600
to the middle there's a there's a block

2480
01:38:09,669 --> 01:38:06,960
that has a cnn affiliate az family three

2481
01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:09,679
they did a wonderful report showing the

2482
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:13,440
footage that was taken during that

2483
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:16,480
supposed reenactment it was a joke i

2484
01:38:19,910 --> 01:38:18,480
mean they tried to make a triangle was

2485
01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:19,920
upside down it fell apart immediately

2486
01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:21,920
they did what flares do i mean they

2487
01:38:24,270 --> 01:38:23,520
flickered out one of them flickered out

2488
01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:24,280
of it

2489
01:38:27,750 --> 01:38:26,719
instantaneously and they drifted i mean

2490
01:38:28,830 --> 01:38:27,760
it was just

2491
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:28,840
it really

2492
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:31,520
confirmed for the witnesses once and for

2493
01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:33,840
all that it wasn't flares definitely

2494
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:36,320
wasn't flares and to this day i have to

2495
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:38,639
tell you they've never addressed the

2496
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:41,360
aircraft that people saw they never

2497
01:38:46,229 --> 01:38:43,040
addressed the triangle and v-shaped

2498
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:46,239
craft and it's never been

2499
01:38:51,430 --> 01:38:47,840
reenacted

2500
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:51,440
or even if even if i give

2501
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:54,000
uh the government and the skeptics the

2502
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:56,400
benefit of the doubt right now and i

2503
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:58,480
jump on the devil's advocate side even

2504
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:00,400
if i give him that

2505
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:03,360
a flare leaves a long

2506
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:06,960
illuminated trail of smoke

2507
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:09,600
so even if even if for some reason they

2508
01:39:15,189 --> 01:39:11,520
had the new special

2509
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:15,199
um nsa smokeless flares

2510
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:17,679
even if that's what they were then how

2511
01:39:22,070 --> 01:39:19,440
are you going to get those to line up

2512
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:22,080
but even if i give them that let's just

2513
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:23,040
say

2514
01:39:27,510 --> 01:39:25,679
that the the the

2515
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:27,520
you know the the famous video that one

2516
01:39:31,510 --> 01:39:29,600
over over the mountain if that was

2517
01:39:33,270 --> 01:39:31,520
flares let's give him that but that

2518
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:33,280
doesn't explain

2519
01:39:50,470 --> 01:39:47,350
traverse the entire state flares can't

2520
01:39:51,830 --> 01:39:50,480
do that all the way to tucson

2521
01:39:53,270 --> 01:39:51,840
well and beyond

2522
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:53,280
some say that it went all the way to

2523
01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:55,280
mexico actually and then and then back

2524
01:39:59,350 --> 01:39:57,040
but you know we're talking amazing

2525
01:40:01,590 --> 01:39:59,360
technology and and you know they they

2526
01:40:03,910 --> 01:40:01,600
had their shot i mean this was they were

2527
01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:03,920
supposedly reenacting the phoenix

2528
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:06,719
flights and it's never been reenacted uh

2529
01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:09,199
to this day or or explain and what was

2530
01:40:12,790 --> 01:40:11,040
really interesting too is that right

2531
01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:12,800
after the 10th anniversary actually

2532
01:40:16,229 --> 01:40:14,639
right before the 10th anniversary i have

2533
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:16,239
to say this because you said it in a

2534
01:40:19,109 --> 01:40:17,199
line

2535
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:19,119
um it was interesting that because we

2536
01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:20,880
see flares from our from our home

2537
01:40:24,629 --> 01:40:23,360
mountainside home periodically

2538
01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:24,639
and you can tell in a heartbeat that

2539
01:40:29,109 --> 01:40:27,360
they're flares okay even the new ones

2540
01:40:30,870 --> 01:40:29,119
but um because they're quite different

2541
01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:30,880
they're much smaller and they flicker

2542
01:40:34,390 --> 01:40:32,800
and they're just not these orbs these

2543
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:34,400
giant balls

2544
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:35,280
but

2545
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:36,960
at any rate right before the 10th

2546
01:40:41,669 --> 01:40:38,639
anniversary

2547
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:41,679
suddenly there was a line of flares

2548
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:43,840
and and again i could tell immediately i

2549
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:45,679
mean you know to a trained eye you can

2550
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:47,920
see that they're haphazard within

2551
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:50,400
seconds and with a view viewfinder of my

2552
01:40:54,310 --> 01:40:52,400
camera you could see the smoke trails

2553
01:40:55,990 --> 01:40:54,320
the next morning i was inundated with

2554
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:56,000
calls from the media that's a whole

2555
01:41:00,550 --> 01:40:58,000
nother thing uh which i'll share in a

2556
01:41:01,910 --> 01:41:00,560
second but um you know dr lynn did you

2557
01:41:03,830 --> 01:41:01,920
see the exciting way that we're getting

2558
01:41:06,310 --> 01:41:03,840
so many calls i said don't get so

2559
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:06,320
excited i said they were flares okay now

2560
01:41:11,270 --> 01:41:08,719
why they sent off a line all of a sudden

2561
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:11,280
right before the anniversary right

2562
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:14,400
okay but i said here is a perfect time a

2563
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:17,440
perfect opportunity to teach the public

2564
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:19,440
because a lot of people saw it i mean

2565
01:41:22,310 --> 01:41:21,040
they intended for a lot of people to see

2566
01:41:23,109 --> 01:41:22,320
it i'm sure

2567
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:23,119
but

2568
01:41:27,669 --> 01:41:24,960
now it's the perfect time to

2569
01:41:29,189 --> 01:41:27,679
um train and show the people and educate

2570
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:29,199
the people on what the difference is

2571
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:32,080
between flares and the true unknowns and

2572
01:41:35,990 --> 01:41:33,520
wouldn't you know they did reports it

2573
01:41:39,109 --> 01:41:36,000
was fabulous it was really fabulous and

2574
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:39,119
right after the 10th anniversary

2575
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:41,360
suddenly we get an announcement

2576
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:43,840
that former governor feinstein who had

2577
01:41:48,790 --> 01:41:46,560
mocked the sighting in 97

2578
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:48,800
came forward bravely came forward to say

2579
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:51,119
that he actually saw it

2580
01:41:54,709 --> 01:41:53,520
and that it was otherworldly you saw one

2581
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:54,719
of the craft

2582
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:57,760
and didn't he see it with his his son

2583
01:42:01,830 --> 01:41:59,280
yeah i think i believe he was outside

2584
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:01,840
with his son right but you know it's

2585
01:42:06,790 --> 01:42:04,239
the main point is it it really was a big

2586
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:06,800
step forward i have to say because for

2587
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:09,600
an elected official to admit that he saw

2588
01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:12,000
something that was unearthly or

2589
01:42:17,910 --> 01:42:15,040
otherworldly as he called it um really

2590
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:17,920
took it to the next level and many more

2591
01:42:22,229 --> 01:42:20,239
people came forward they come forward to

2592
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:22,239
this day it's amazing how many emails

2593
01:42:25,669 --> 01:42:23,920
and i welcome people that's another

2594
01:42:28,229 --> 01:42:25,679
reason i came forward

2595
01:42:30,149 --> 01:42:28,239
as a physician as a scientist and as an

2596
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:30,159
educator certainly you know i felt

2597
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:32,080
obliged to share the data and let people

2598
01:42:36,070 --> 01:42:34,000
decide for themselves ultimately after

2599
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:36,080
seven years of anonymity and a lot of

2600
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:37,840
soul-searching that was that because i

2601
01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:39,600
did not want to come forward but as a

2602
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:42,480
physician and as an experiencer it's so

2603
01:42:45,990 --> 01:42:43,920
important for people to know they're not

2604
01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:46,000
alone even though most anomalies can be

2605
01:42:51,510 --> 01:42:48,080
explained when somebody has an anomalous

2606
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:51,520
experience it's real to them and if you

2607
01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:53,600
don't share it it festers it's not

2608
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:56,080
healthy and one of the things i i always

2609
01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:57,840
say and i have you know if you get on

2610
01:43:02,629 --> 01:42:59,920
the website there's contact at the top i

2611
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:02,639
have a phoenix place network page on

2612
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:04,400
facebook if people want to message me

2613
01:43:08,790 --> 01:43:06,800
there just sharing it with one person is

2614
01:43:10,629 --> 01:43:08,800
cathartic it's healing it's really

2615
01:43:12,229 --> 01:43:10,639
important to get it out in the open and

2616
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,239
i think that's ultimately what

2617
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:14,880
simmington just needed to do after you

2618
01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:17,280
know he had pulled that in 97. so the

2619
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:19,600
more credible people to come forward

2620
01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:21,840
the more credibility the whole thing has

2621
01:43:26,870 --> 01:43:24,560
and and i have to say it's just amazing

2622
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:26,880
over 10 000 people over 10 000 people

2623
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:28,560
i'm sure because i've heard from

2624
01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:31,440
thousands of people myself um you know

2625
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:33,280
saw this and it affected people at a

2626
01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:35,440
very very deep level if you want me to

2627
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:38,560
get into that because

2628
01:43:42,070 --> 01:43:40,400
i think it's so important it's something

2629
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:42,080
that you and i have talked about a lot

2630
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:43,760
too off of the air but i think it's so

2631
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:45,600
important for people to

2632
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:48,400
you know discuss what they have seen

2633
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:51,280
and i i'm a victim of that myself i

2634
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:53,520
didn't talk about things for you know 10

2635
01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:56,000
years i i kept things inside

2636
01:44:00,629 --> 01:43:57,360
and i

2637
01:44:02,390 --> 01:44:00,639
how important is it for people to

2638
01:44:04,390 --> 01:44:02,400
you know come forward and speak whether

2639
01:44:06,709 --> 01:44:04,400
it's to you or to anybody for the first

2640
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:06,719
time and talk about your experiences and

2641
01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:08,000
how many people

2642
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:10,960
contact you and the the the email starts

2643
01:44:14,149 --> 01:44:11,840
off

2644
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:14,159
i've never told anybody this story but i

2645
01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:16,400
need to talk to somebody how many times

2646
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:19,119
does that happen to you i have close to

2647
01:44:24,709 --> 01:44:21,199
30 000 emails

2648
01:44:28,229 --> 01:44:26,390
of people that are sharing that i'm not

2649
01:44:30,310 --> 01:44:28,239
even counting people that have you know

2650
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:30,320
messaged me on facebook and i mean every

2651
01:44:33,910 --> 01:44:32,480
day every day

2652
01:44:36,310 --> 01:44:33,920
there isn't a day that passes i'm not

2653
01:44:38,629 --> 01:44:36,320
kidding that somebody either sees

2654
01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:38,639
something on tv or they finally just

2655
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:40,960
have to you know tell somebody

2656
01:44:43,350 --> 01:44:42,239
and they haven't told anybody and

2657
01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:43,360
they're afraid and that's that's the

2658
01:44:45,910 --> 01:44:44,480
other thing that's why i said it's so

2659
01:44:46,870 --> 01:44:45,920
important to get this out in the open

2660
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:46,880
because

2661
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:49,040
enough enough i mean whatever it is and

2662
01:44:52,070 --> 01:44:50,400
again i don't know what it is but

2663
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:52,080
there's something definitely going on

2664
01:44:56,550 --> 01:44:54,239
there's something gracing our skies and

2665
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:56,560
the most interesting part of this jimmy

2666
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:58,560
is that they have been for centuries and

2667
01:45:03,430 --> 01:45:00,719
native cultures know this they're you

2668
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:03,440
know since human documentation began

2669
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:06,000
there is there is documentation of these

2670
01:45:11,669 --> 01:45:09,360
phenomena even in in prehistoric caves

2671
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:11,679
we have long extinct animals etched out

2672
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:14,159
on the stone and in the in the sky is

2673
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:16,080
what we would call today ufo how did

2674
01:45:19,030 --> 01:45:18,000
they know that unless they had seen

2675
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:19,040
something

2676
01:45:23,430 --> 01:45:21,199
and what about sumerian writings in

2677
01:45:26,149 --> 01:45:23,440
india writings and even in the bible is

2678
01:45:27,669 --> 01:45:26,159
that ezekiel's wheel and and so forth

2679
01:45:30,790 --> 01:45:27,679
that you know in their own language

2680
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:30,800
we're describing uh ufos and and then

2681
01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:33,760
you fast forward to um you know the 15th

2682
01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:36,000
and 16th centuries you have the frescoes

2683
01:45:39,030 --> 01:45:37,760
and paintings with people on the ground

2684
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:39,040
we show a number of them in the

2685
01:45:42,310 --> 01:45:40,880
documentary with

2686
01:45:44,550 --> 01:45:42,320
it's so interesting to see these

2687
01:45:46,870 --> 01:45:44,560
paintings because they have these

2688
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:46,880
objects they're they look like ufos with

2689
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:49,520
even which with actual people or beings

2690
01:45:53,830 --> 01:45:51,920
in the ufos that people on the ground

2691
01:45:55,430 --> 01:45:53,840
are looking at and staring at

2692
01:45:58,629 --> 01:45:55,440
another interesting thing i have to tell

2693
01:46:01,109 --> 01:45:58,639
you is in 1897

2694
01:46:03,990 --> 01:46:01,119
almost 100 years to the to the months i

2695
01:46:06,790 --> 01:46:04,000
mean this is in march and april um this

2696
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:06,800
was seen in kansas california washington

2697
01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:08,080
and canada

2698
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:10,560
they described it it's in in a kansas

2699
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:13,440
paper um they described an airship a

2700
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:16,400
giant airship with removable lights does

2701
01:46:20,709 --> 01:46:19,760
that sound familiar okay right that that

2702
01:46:23,590 --> 01:46:20,719
that

2703
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:23,600
not only sounded very similar okay to

2704
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:26,400
what we were seeing but also

2705
01:46:30,870 --> 01:46:28,320
um it was six years before the wright

2706
01:46:33,750 --> 01:46:30,880
brothers took flight okay and people

2707
01:46:36,709 --> 01:46:33,760
were seeing these things um now not only

2708
01:46:39,189 --> 01:46:36,719
that but in world war ii and we just had

2709
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:39,199
again our sold out you know big event

2710
01:46:42,070 --> 01:46:40,560
for the 18th anniversary of the

2711
01:46:43,510 --> 01:46:42,080
scottsdale arkansas theater it was

2712
01:46:48,070 --> 01:46:43,520
amazing and

2713
01:46:50,709 --> 01:46:48,080
one of the speakers was a 93 year young

2714
01:46:53,910 --> 01:46:50,719
world war ii french pilot

2715
01:46:56,950 --> 01:46:53,920
who saw the same phenomena around his

2716
01:47:00,550 --> 01:46:56,960
plane during the war and they called

2717
01:47:02,790 --> 01:47:00,560
them foo fighters these amber orbs

2718
01:47:05,189 --> 01:47:02,800
that were around his plane and it's very

2719
01:47:07,990 --> 01:47:05,199
interesting in our documentary dvd in

2720
01:47:10,709 --> 01:47:08,000
the bonus features um he describes not

2721
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:10,719
only what he saw but also what happened

2722
01:47:13,990 --> 01:47:12,159
to him when he tried to report it which

2723
01:47:16,229 --> 01:47:14,000
wasn't pretty okay

2724
01:47:19,350 --> 01:47:16,239
he was threatened with his career as as

2725
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:19,360
are many pilots um united states pilots

2726
01:47:23,510 --> 01:47:21,280
that see things that's a whole nother

2727
01:47:26,709 --> 01:47:23,520
story that uh certainly has been studied

2728
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:26,719
by dr richard haynes at narcap uh

2729
01:47:31,590 --> 01:47:30,000
thousands of pilot reports that um that

2730
01:47:32,870 --> 01:47:31,600
really don't get out there because

2731
01:47:35,109 --> 01:47:32,880
they're they're threatened with their

2732
01:47:36,950 --> 01:47:35,119
careers um so it's really important we

2733
01:47:39,430 --> 01:47:36,960
get this happening open for so on so

2734
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:39,440
many different levels i have to say

2735
01:47:43,669 --> 01:47:41,840
uh before we uh catch our first break

2736
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:43,679
here we're we're about five eight

2737
01:47:47,590 --> 01:47:45,360
minutes away from that

2738
01:47:49,109 --> 01:47:47,600
uh tell us about free and what you're

2739
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:49,119
doing with free

2740
01:47:54,070 --> 01:47:50,800
oh well that's really interesting that's

2741
01:47:56,310 --> 01:47:54,080
a good segue because um ray hernandez

2742
01:47:58,470 --> 01:47:56,320
and actually uh astronaut edgar mitchell

2743
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:58,480
who is in the documentary uh he's

2744
01:48:02,550 --> 01:48:00,800
wonderful he was being conferred with in

2745
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:02,560
real time i didn't know that until i

2746
01:48:07,350 --> 01:48:04,800
interviewed him uh during the mass

2747
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:07,360
sighting by the way um and he's amazing

2748
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:09,119
in the documentary and talks about the

2749
01:48:14,229 --> 01:48:10,880
cover-up and the bonus features as well

2750
01:48:16,790 --> 01:48:14,239
and he he started not only ions the

2751
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:16,800
institute of noetic science combining

2752
01:48:22,149 --> 01:48:19,840
science and spirituality but now he is

2753
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:22,159
one of the founders of free

2754
01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:25,040
which is actually a group that is

2755
01:48:32,629 --> 01:48:29,520
studying uh the the experiencer um

2756
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:32,639
really focusing on the experiencer

2757
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:34,639
themselves and i i can talk about that

2758
01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:36,080
when we come back from the break because

2759
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:38,080
i found an interesting connection

2760
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:40,480
between all unexplained phenomena in my

2761
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:41,280
um

2762
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:42,080
uh

2763
01:48:46,709 --> 01:48:43,920
in my quest to find out what was going

2764
01:48:50,629 --> 01:48:46,719
on but um but they're finding that too

2765
01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:50,639
that uh you know these experiences um

2766
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:53,440
you know whether it was a uh a pleasant

2767
01:48:57,430 --> 01:48:55,199
experience or not we don't have a

2768
01:49:00,470 --> 01:48:57,440
reference for these experiences even

2769
01:49:01,830 --> 01:49:00,480
travis walton he also spoke in our event

2770
01:49:03,910 --> 01:49:01,840
and he's going to be at the contact in

2771
01:49:05,750 --> 01:49:03,920
the desert um

2772
01:49:08,629 --> 01:49:05,760
spoke about the fact that when he was

2773
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:08,639
taken you know onto the ship and uh you

2774
01:49:12,629 --> 01:49:10,239
know he was knocked out by a beam of

2775
01:49:14,550 --> 01:49:12,639
light that um you know when he woke up

2776
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:14,560
he was freaked out i mean of course

2777
01:49:19,030 --> 01:49:17,040
whoever this was 40 years ago by the way

2778
01:49:20,310 --> 01:49:19,040
um you know who we don't have a

2779
01:49:21,910 --> 01:49:20,320
reference for these things and we're

2780
01:49:25,109 --> 01:49:21,920
told that we're crazy or that it's a

2781
01:49:26,629 --> 01:49:25,119
mirage or whatever and um you know he

2782
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:26,639
was frightened and and certainly he

2783
01:49:31,510 --> 01:49:28,320
couldn't breathe and that you know would

2784
01:49:33,350 --> 01:49:31,520
cause more panic um but on reflection

2785
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:33,360
and this happens with experiencers as

2786
01:49:38,709 --> 01:49:35,760
well that seek help and that actually

2787
01:49:41,910 --> 01:49:38,719
ruminate and dr john max certainly was a

2788
01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:41,920
uh you know one of the leading

2789
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:44,320
psychiatrists at harvard that was

2790
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:46,080
studying these phenomenon studying

2791
01:49:52,870 --> 01:49:50,400
experiences uh also confirmed with with

2792
01:49:54,550 --> 01:49:52,880
talking about it and with being able to

2793
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:54,560
relate to other people that have had the

2794
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:57,280
same experience uh you really come full

2795
01:50:00,790 --> 01:49:58,400
circle

2796
01:50:02,709 --> 01:50:00,800
and many of these people not only uh

2797
01:50:05,109 --> 01:50:02,719
have relationships with these other

2798
01:50:07,830 --> 01:50:05,119
beings or these other entities but it

2799
01:50:09,750 --> 01:50:07,840
really gets into more of a benevolent

2800
01:50:11,910 --> 01:50:09,760
situation and the same with travis i

2801
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:11,920
mean he believes now that um he was

2802
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:13,840
taken aboard the ship to save his life

2803
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:16,400
that they actually helped save his life

2804
01:50:20,390 --> 01:50:18,239
and um you know so that's a very

2805
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:20,400
interesting aspect and also the the

2806
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:22,719
connection between other uh all

2807
01:50:26,950 --> 01:50:24,000
unexplained phenomena which i'll get

2808
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:26,960
into uh after the break but uh free is

2809
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:29,520
actually studying uh these uh

2810
01:50:33,990 --> 01:50:31,840
experiences and um you should look it up

2811
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:34,000
on the net and uh you know they're gonna

2812
01:50:37,430 --> 01:50:36,080
be a presence as well at the contact in

2813
01:50:40,149 --> 01:50:37,440
the desert and

2814
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:40,159
and i am a board advisor and we'll be

2815
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:41,920
interviewing people as well and it's

2816
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:44,320
again as you said it's really important

2817
01:50:49,350 --> 01:50:47,280
to share do you consider yourself an

2818
01:50:51,590 --> 01:50:49,360
experiencer

2819
01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:51,600
absolutely

2820
01:50:59,590 --> 01:50:57,750
well i have to tell you i mean look

2821
01:51:01,270 --> 01:50:59,600
you know when when i had the close

2822
01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:01,280
experience and we can get into that

2823
01:51:05,750 --> 01:51:03,360
after the breakthrough i feel like with

2824
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:05,760
with what dr bruce mcabee concluded

2825
01:51:11,669 --> 01:51:08,960
after he studied meticulously

2826
01:51:13,830 --> 01:51:11,679
my photographic data which still i can't

2827
01:51:15,430 --> 01:51:13,840
wrap my head around but i shared for the

2828
01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:15,440
first time in the latest edition of my

2829
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:17,360
book because i think that the that it

2830
01:51:21,270 --> 01:51:19,440
might be important i don't believe in

2831
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:21,280
coincidence anymore getting all the data

2832
01:51:24,070 --> 01:51:22,560
out there people can decide for

2833
01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:24,080
themselves and hopefully science will

2834
01:51:28,629 --> 01:51:26,800
come on board and actually study it but

2835
01:51:31,750 --> 01:51:28,639
um you know as far as being an

2836
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:31,760
experiencer uh you know i something

2837
01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:34,000
happened that night that not only woke

2838
01:51:39,109 --> 01:51:36,480
me up to the reality and it's waking

2839
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:39,119
people up worldwide not only to the the

2840
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:42,560
presence of other worldly beings and and

2841
01:51:47,109 --> 01:51:44,000
that something's going on something's

2842
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:47,119
visiting us um but also waking us up to

2843
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:49,440
who we are and i'll get into that more

2844
01:51:55,750 --> 01:51:52,480
um but you know look we the hubble and

2845
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:55,760
the and the uh uh kepler telescopes have

2846
01:52:00,790 --> 01:51:58,480
changed the face of time and space and

2847
01:52:02,229 --> 01:52:00,800
every you know we we now know that their

2848
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:02,239
nasa just came out with an announcement

2849
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:04,639
this year that there were at least 500

2850
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:06,400
billion other

2851
01:52:09,830 --> 01:52:07,920
galaxies out there and i'm sure there's

2852
01:52:10,870 --> 01:52:09,840
probably more than that and if you

2853
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:10,880
consider

2854
01:52:16,149 --> 01:52:13,360
that with the billions of other galaxies

2855
01:52:19,430 --> 01:52:16,159
with billions of trillions of stars in

2856
01:52:21,910 --> 01:52:19,440
their own planet and the building blocks

2857
01:52:24,070 --> 01:52:21,920
of life are out there we know that

2858
01:52:25,669 --> 01:52:24,080
hydrogen and nitrogen and amino acids

2859
01:52:27,669 --> 01:52:25,679
are out there

2860
01:52:30,149 --> 01:52:27,679
and that life is viable everywhere we

2861
01:52:32,629 --> 01:52:30,159
have life growing in the in the hot

2862
01:52:35,510 --> 01:52:32,639
springs of yellowstone to the frozen

2863
01:52:38,870 --> 01:52:35,520
arctic lakes and and just a couple years

2864
01:52:42,550 --> 01:52:38,880
ago actually i did a uh uh i went on fox

2865
01:52:44,470 --> 01:52:42,560
with megan kelly and uh astronaut tom uh

2866
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:44,480
jones because the next day they were

2867
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:46,000
announced nasa was announcing a big

2868
01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:48,239
announcement about alien life and i

2869
01:52:51,189 --> 01:52:49,440
figured you know what's the big

2870
01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:51,199
announcement i bet it's about some kind

2871
01:52:56,229 --> 01:52:53,520
of a microbe that they found and and you

2872
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:56,239
know lo and behold of course it was um

2873
01:53:01,270 --> 01:52:58,480
that you know i i even mentioned on on

2874
01:53:03,030 --> 01:53:01,280
the show on the on the report that uh

2875
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:03,040
you know asteroids come here and it's

2876
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:05,520
been studied by astrophysicists uh that

2877
01:53:09,990 --> 01:53:07,840
asteroids come here with uh you know

2878
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:10,000
microbes on those asteroids well there

2879
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:12,480
could be a whole other family tree out

2880
01:53:17,189 --> 01:53:15,040
there of micros and lo and behold they

2881
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:17,199
found microbes that were living in ours

2882
01:53:21,510 --> 01:53:19,440
in an arsenic lake so you know when you

2883
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:21,520
see the life is is really viable

2884
01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:24,560
everywhere and our one galaxy our one

2885
01:53:29,830 --> 01:53:27,280
milky way galaxy is 14 to 16 billion

2886
01:53:31,750 --> 01:53:29,840
years old our solar system is a very

2887
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:31,760
young solar system it's only four to six

2888
01:53:36,149 --> 01:53:33,760
billion years old so there are

2889
01:53:38,550 --> 01:53:36,159
scientists now postulating

2890
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:38,560
that there could be sentient intelligent

2891
01:53:44,149 --> 01:53:41,199
entities out there billions

2892
01:53:46,149 --> 01:53:44,159
billions of years ahead of us

2893
01:53:47,669 --> 01:53:46,159
there's no doubt about that

2894
01:53:49,589 --> 01:53:47,679
and i

2895
01:53:51,990 --> 01:53:49,599
one of the things that

2896
01:53:53,350 --> 01:53:52,000
i think about all the time is when you

2897
01:53:55,669 --> 01:53:53,360
look at us and you look at our

2898
01:53:57,109 --> 01:53:55,679
intelligence here and and what we do and

2899
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:57,119
look to the stars and we've been doing

2900
01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:59,040
that for millennia you know always

2901
01:54:02,629 --> 01:54:00,960
asking that one question are we alone

2902
01:54:04,390 --> 01:54:02,639
are we alone i wonder what's out there

2903
01:54:06,149 --> 01:54:04,400
or wonder what's out there well you know

2904
01:54:09,030 --> 01:54:06,159
what that's what they're doing they're

2905
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:09,040
looking right back at us

2906
01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:12,000
asking the same questions you know are

2907
01:54:16,390 --> 01:54:14,400
we alone and if there are a million

2908
01:54:18,550 --> 01:54:16,400
years ten thousand years a million years

2909
01:54:21,270 --> 01:54:18,560
a billion years older than us and all of

2910
01:54:24,149 --> 01:54:21,280
that intelligence then they know we're

2911
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:24,159
here because we're doing the exact same

2912
01:54:27,030 --> 01:54:26,000
thing aren't we lynn we're sending out

2913
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:27,040
probes

2914
01:54:33,030 --> 01:54:30,000
we're we're investigating we have kepler

2915
01:54:35,109 --> 01:54:33,040
and and that's all we do is wonder

2916
01:54:37,430 --> 01:54:35,119
and we're gonna find out

2917
01:54:39,430 --> 01:54:37,440
but that just means that they've already

2918
01:54:41,189 --> 01:54:39,440
found out that's exactly what it means

2919
01:54:43,189 --> 01:54:41,199
you can't think that

2920
01:54:45,430 --> 01:54:43,199
they are the opposite of us and they

2921
01:54:47,189 --> 01:54:45,440
don't want to know no of course they

2922
01:54:49,510 --> 01:54:47,199
want to know if there's life out there

2923
01:54:51,350 --> 01:54:49,520
in the universe and they they already

2924
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:51,360
know that we're here that's it there's

2925
01:54:56,310 --> 01:54:53,520
there's no if ands or buts about it

2926
01:54:58,790 --> 01:54:56,320
there's no other way to look at it

2927
01:55:01,189 --> 01:54:58,800
and and not only that jimmy but

2928
01:55:02,870 --> 01:55:01,199
maybe they've been here

2929
01:55:04,790 --> 01:55:02,880
maybe we just don't see them they're in

2930
01:55:06,550 --> 01:55:04,800
another frequency in another dimension

2931
01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:06,560
you know i mean we're not only talking

2932
01:55:11,830 --> 01:55:09,119
you know interstellar interstellar time

2933
01:55:13,189 --> 01:55:11,840
travel or possibility possibly but you

2934
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:13,199
know when you when you really look at

2935
01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:16,080
the native cultures and their beliefs

2936
01:55:20,149 --> 01:55:17,040
and their

2937
01:55:22,470 --> 01:55:20,159
uh you know and it's just it we'll talk

2938
01:55:23,430 --> 01:55:22,480
about that more after the break but um

2939
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:23,440
you know when you're talking an

2940
01:55:29,189 --> 01:55:26,320
interdimensional possibility um that

2941
01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:29,199
even makes it more realistic

2942
01:55:32,629 --> 01:55:31,440
did you listen to the show before you

2943
01:55:34,550 --> 01:55:32,639
came on

2944
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:34,560
i didn't i was i was actually at a

2945
01:55:40,149 --> 01:55:37,840
meeting we had a we had a caller tammy

2946
01:55:42,870 --> 01:55:40,159
came in and talked about her near-death

2947
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:42,880
experience that she had

2948
01:55:48,310 --> 01:55:45,360
and we can also talk about that after

2949
01:55:49,589 --> 01:55:48,320
the break too as well and i wish you had

2950
01:55:52,790 --> 01:55:49,599
heard her call

2951
01:55:53,910 --> 01:55:52,800
because uh pretty fascinating

2952
01:55:54,870 --> 01:55:53,920
uh

2953
01:56:00,790 --> 01:55:54,880
her

2954
01:56:02,550 --> 01:56:00,800
the break but

2955
01:56:04,470 --> 01:56:02,560
i've never had

2956
01:56:05,910 --> 01:56:04,480
a near-death experience i haven't had

2957
01:56:08,950 --> 01:56:05,920
that experience

2958
01:56:10,470 --> 01:56:08,960
but that is also if there's the the

2959
01:56:12,709 --> 01:56:10,480
you know the one question are we alone

2960
01:56:15,189 --> 01:56:12,719
in the universe and the other one is

2961
01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:15,199
what happens when we die

2962
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:17,599
you know that's the other question and

2963
01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:19,840
we've got enough um

2964
01:56:25,109 --> 01:56:22,480
of of testimony and ex you know

2965
01:56:27,669 --> 01:56:25,119
experiencers of that of near-death to

2966
01:56:29,589 --> 01:56:27,679
describe what happens on the other side

2967
01:56:31,030 --> 01:56:29,599
and and what happens at that point and i

2968
01:56:32,550 --> 01:56:31,040
would like to talk about that after the

2969
01:56:33,990 --> 01:56:32,560
break too

2970
01:56:36,390 --> 01:56:34,000
sounds great

2971
01:56:37,990 --> 01:56:36,400
got a lot to contribute to that one dr

2972
01:56:39,750 --> 01:56:38,000
lynn kitai

2973
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:39,760
all right let's take a quick break and

2974
01:56:44,149 --> 01:56:41,440
we'll be back right after this tonight

2975
01:56:46,790 --> 01:56:44,159
dr lin katai tomorrow night

2976
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:46,800
courtney brown will be with us this is

2977
01:56:50,470 --> 01:56:48,880
fade to black bespoke radio for the

2978
01:56:53,350 --> 01:56:50,480
masses

2979
01:56:55,270 --> 01:56:53,360
on the game changer network and kg ra

2980
01:56:57,830 --> 01:56:55,280
the planet i am your also humble host

2981
01:56:59,189 --> 01:56:57,840
jimmy church more with dr lin katai when

2982
01:57:12,030 --> 01:56:59,199
we come back right after this short

2983
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2984
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2986
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2987
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2991
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2996
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2997
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2998
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2999
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3000
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3003
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3004
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3005
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3006
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3007
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hi ray sobs here with kgra spring is

3023
01:58:51,030 --> 01:58:48,719
just around the corner here in northwest

3024
01:58:53,910 --> 01:58:51,040
arkansas and that means it's almost time

3025
01:58:55,990 --> 01:58:53,920
for the 28th annual ozark mountain ufo

3026
01:58:57,830 --> 01:58:56,000
conference continuing a time-honored

3027
01:59:00,229 --> 01:58:57,840
tradition of bringing thought-provoking

3028
01:59:02,629 --> 01:59:00,239
information about other worlds around us

3029
01:59:04,790 --> 01:59:02,639
join me in the kgre crew april 10th

3030
01:59:07,030 --> 01:59:04,800
through the 12th in beautiful eureka

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01:59:09,109 --> 01:59:07,040
springs arkansas for another great

3032
01:59:10,950 --> 01:59:09,119
lineup of speakers including

3033
01:59:13,109 --> 01:59:10,960
investigative journalist linda molten

3034
01:59:15,589 --> 01:59:13,119
howe the national ufo reporting center's

3035
01:59:17,830 --> 01:59:15,599
peter davenport returning to ozark as

3036
01:59:20,390 --> 01:59:17,840
this year's keynote speaker author and

3037
01:59:22,470 --> 01:59:20,400
american historian richard dolan and

3038
01:59:25,270 --> 01:59:22,480
many more the kgra will be their

3039
01:59:27,030 --> 01:59:25,280
broadcasting live all weekend register

3040
01:59:29,430 --> 01:59:27,040
and reserve your seating early and pick

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01:59:34,350 --> 01:59:29,440
up a free membership from the kgra and

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01:59:37,830 --> 01:59:35,910
www.ozarkufoconference.com for tickets

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01:59:53,189 --> 01:59:37,840
and information that's ozark

3044
01:59:58,149 --> 01:59:55,109
all right everybody welcome back fade to

3045
02:00:03,589 --> 02:00:00,870
bespoke radio for the masses i am your

3046
02:00:05,270 --> 02:00:03,599
host jimmy church tonight dr lynn ketai

3047
02:00:06,950 --> 02:00:05,280
is with us

3048
02:00:11,109 --> 02:00:06,960
tomorrow night

3049
02:00:13,350 --> 02:00:11,119
courtney brown phd

3050
02:00:14,950 --> 02:00:13,360
dr lynn are you still with us no i'm

3051
02:00:17,430 --> 02:00:14,960
right here

3052
02:00:18,709 --> 02:00:17,440
waiting for you

3053
02:00:23,830 --> 02:00:18,719
yeah we're going to get into some good

3054
02:00:24,709 --> 02:00:23,840
stuff now yeah near death experiences uh

3055
02:00:27,109 --> 02:00:24,719
you

3056
02:00:28,229 --> 02:00:27,119
while we we alluded to this uh before

3057
02:00:31,669 --> 02:00:28,239
the break

3058
02:00:33,669 --> 02:00:31,679
um you had one when you were eight

3059
02:00:35,510 --> 02:00:33,679
well uh you know it was really

3060
02:00:36,790 --> 02:00:35,520
interesting um

3061
02:00:39,189 --> 02:00:36,800
right before

3062
02:00:40,709 --> 02:00:39,199
the mass sighting like around like this

3063
02:00:41,669 --> 02:00:40,719
december before

3064
02:00:44,550 --> 02:00:41,679
um

3065
02:00:46,070 --> 02:00:44,560
i had some surgery and uh and i figured

3066
02:00:47,990 --> 02:00:46,080
i'm gonna be you know laid up for a

3067
02:00:49,510 --> 02:00:48,000
couple of weeks and took out a whole

3068
02:00:51,030 --> 02:00:49,520
bunch of books which i never had time to

3069
02:00:53,350 --> 02:00:51,040
read you asked me if i was interested in

3070
02:00:54,950 --> 02:00:53,360
this stuff i never had time so i figured

3071
02:00:56,390 --> 02:00:54,960
out you know let me go to the library

3072
02:00:58,310 --> 02:00:56,400
and i just started pulling books off the

3073
02:01:01,430 --> 02:00:58,320
shelf from near death experience and

3074
02:01:04,229 --> 02:01:01,440
edgar casey and holistic medicine

3075
02:01:06,229 --> 02:01:04,239
and the first book i picked up was by

3076
02:01:09,910 --> 02:01:06,239
melvin morris md

3077
02:01:12,870 --> 02:01:09,920
and paul perry who's a uh best-selling

3078
02:01:13,910 --> 02:01:12,880
author on near-death experience um

3079
02:01:16,070 --> 02:01:13,920
called

3080
02:01:17,430 --> 02:01:16,080
it was a study for for children's

3081
02:01:19,669 --> 02:01:17,440
near-death experience i figured that

3082
02:01:20,950 --> 02:01:19,679
would be you know very credible and as

3083
02:01:24,149 --> 02:01:20,960
i'm um

3084
02:01:25,589 --> 02:01:24,159
reading it uh you know one kid comes to

3085
02:01:27,669 --> 02:01:25,599
a barrier

3086
02:01:29,189 --> 02:01:27,679
and i thought wait a minute

3087
02:01:33,270 --> 02:01:29,199
that happened to me

3088
02:01:35,189 --> 02:01:33,280
and another kid has a short life review

3089
02:01:36,470 --> 02:01:35,199
and i thought oh my goodness that

3090
02:01:39,270 --> 02:01:36,480
happened to me

3091
02:01:40,229 --> 02:01:39,280
and another kid sees these beings of of

3092
02:01:43,109 --> 02:01:40,239
light

3093
02:01:46,709 --> 02:01:43,119
and i said oh my goodness

3094
02:01:48,870 --> 02:01:46,719
what i had had over 40 years before

3095
02:01:51,430 --> 02:01:48,880
must have been a near-death experience i

3096
02:01:52,709 --> 02:01:51,440
never put it in that framework i

3097
02:01:54,070 --> 02:01:52,719
certainly didn't learn anything in

3098
02:01:56,470 --> 02:01:54,080
medical school about your death

3099
02:01:59,030 --> 02:01:56,480
experience and i just kept picking up

3100
02:02:01,109 --> 02:01:59,040
book after book transformed by the late

3101
02:02:02,950 --> 02:02:01,119
and by author by melvin morris and it

3102
02:02:05,189 --> 02:02:02,960
just so happened that i looked in the

3103
02:02:07,270 --> 02:02:05,199
back of the book and paul perry who was

3104
02:02:10,550 --> 02:02:07,280
his co-writer um

3105
02:02:13,430 --> 02:02:10,560
lived in scottsdale so i contacted him

3106
02:02:15,589 --> 02:02:13,440
and i said i really need to know if what

3107
02:02:19,270 --> 02:02:15,599
i had was a near-death experience

3108
02:02:21,350 --> 02:02:19,280
meanwhile weeks and weeks passed and

3109
02:02:23,030 --> 02:02:21,360
the mass sighting happens

3110
02:02:26,390 --> 02:02:23,040
um actually the main thing didn't happen

3111
02:02:29,910 --> 02:02:26,400
yet excuse me um i met with paul finally

3112
02:02:31,830 --> 02:02:29,920
the tuesday before that thursday

3113
02:02:34,149 --> 02:02:31,840
and i didn't say one word about the

3114
02:02:35,990 --> 02:02:34,159
lights that i was seeing but i have some

3115
02:02:37,990 --> 02:02:36,000
pictures that are pretty amazing that i

3116
02:02:41,030 --> 02:02:38,000
want to be sharing at the contact in the

3117
02:02:44,070 --> 02:02:41,040
desert that actually does confirm

3118
02:02:47,109 --> 02:02:44,080
life after death in fact paul davids who

3119
02:02:49,189 --> 02:02:47,119
did the original movie roswell on tv

3120
02:02:50,950 --> 02:02:49,199
i did a movie this past year called life

3121
02:02:52,310 --> 02:02:50,960
after death project with the most

3122
02:02:55,030 --> 02:02:52,320
credible

3123
02:02:57,910 --> 02:02:55,040
hard evidence of afterlife and i shared

3124
02:03:01,589 --> 02:02:57,920
for the first time the picture that

3125
02:03:04,709 --> 02:03:01,599
actually my older son took um that shows

3126
02:03:06,310 --> 02:03:04,719
uh my mom came through loud and clear

3127
02:03:08,790 --> 02:03:06,320
you can see

3128
02:03:10,790 --> 02:03:08,800
her in the picture uh 10 years after she

3129
02:03:13,589 --> 02:03:10,800
passed which really convinced me by the

3130
02:03:15,510 --> 02:03:13,599
way that this was real and and all that

3131
02:03:18,470 --> 02:03:15,520
but at any rate um

3132
02:03:20,149 --> 02:03:18,480
we talked for for hours because nothing

3133
02:03:22,870 --> 02:03:20,159
there's nothing in medical school and i

3134
02:03:24,870 --> 02:03:22,880
figured you know the uh medical

3135
02:03:26,790 --> 02:03:24,880
community could certainly use some

3136
02:03:27,750 --> 02:03:26,800
knowledge about near-death experience

3137
02:03:33,430 --> 02:03:27,760
and

3138
02:03:35,589 --> 02:03:33,440
called him to thank him for for meeting

3139
02:03:37,109 --> 02:03:35,599
with me with for five hours and he

3140
02:03:38,870 --> 02:03:37,119
confirmed for me that my near-death

3141
02:03:40,950 --> 02:03:38,880
experience was just that

3142
02:03:42,709 --> 02:03:40,960
and i said by the way you know did you

3143
02:03:45,030 --> 02:03:42,719
hear about this mass sighting last night

3144
02:03:46,470 --> 02:03:45,040
last week and he said sure i said well

3145
02:03:48,149 --> 02:03:46,480
did you see the video of the three

3146
02:03:51,030 --> 02:03:48,159
endpoints of the v

3147
02:03:52,550 --> 02:03:51,040
and uh he said yeah of course i said

3148
02:03:54,149 --> 02:03:52,560
because then every every new stat

3149
02:03:57,350 --> 02:03:54,159
channel like for dave

3150
02:04:00,390 --> 02:03:57,360
and i he said i said well that was my

3151
02:04:02,070 --> 02:04:00,400
video and he freaked out he actually

3152
02:04:05,109 --> 02:04:02,080
ended up writing the forward to my book

3153
02:04:07,030 --> 02:04:05,119
and and followed the story throughout um

3154
02:04:09,830 --> 02:04:07,040
while while it was unfolding but the

3155
02:04:10,790 --> 02:04:09,840
reason that i bring that up is that

3156
02:04:13,030 --> 02:04:10,800
while

3157
02:04:15,910 --> 02:04:13,040
i was interviewing

3158
02:04:18,629 --> 02:04:15,920
witnesses for the phoenix plates

3159
02:04:20,390 --> 02:04:18,639
after the mass sighting a number of them

3160
02:04:21,910 --> 02:04:20,400
mentioned to me that they also had

3161
02:04:24,070 --> 02:04:21,920
near-death experiences that were

3162
02:04:25,990 --> 02:04:24,080
reawakened childhood near-death

3163
02:04:29,750 --> 02:04:26,000
experiences were reawakened by the mass

3164
02:04:32,229 --> 02:04:29,760
sighting and i thought whoa i mean

3165
02:04:33,830 --> 02:04:32,239
how coincidental is that and could there

3166
02:04:35,270 --> 02:04:33,840
possibly be

3167
02:04:38,629 --> 02:04:35,280
a connection

3168
02:04:40,790 --> 02:04:38,639
between all unexplained phenomena and as

3169
02:04:43,669 --> 02:04:40,800
soon as i started looking again i

3170
02:04:45,510 --> 02:04:43,679
started finding such credible data uh

3171
02:04:47,430 --> 02:04:45,520
the omega project which is like a four

3172
02:04:49,750 --> 02:04:47,440
inch book written by dr kenneth rang at

3173
02:04:53,030 --> 02:04:49,760
the university of connecticut i worked

3174
02:04:54,149 --> 02:04:53,040
university uh studies here

3175
02:04:57,189 --> 02:04:54,159
also

3176
02:04:59,030 --> 02:04:57,199
dr bruce grayson who is near-death

3177
02:05:00,550 --> 02:04:59,040
experience uh

3178
02:05:03,109 --> 02:05:00,560
expert and

3179
02:05:04,390 --> 02:05:03,119
valor raymond fowler who did the and

3180
02:05:07,589 --> 02:05:04,400
reason

3181
02:05:08,790 --> 02:05:07,599
case um all were finding not only the

3182
02:05:11,830 --> 02:05:08,800
fact that

3183
02:05:14,709 --> 02:05:11,840
the whether it was near death experience

3184
02:05:17,030 --> 02:05:14,719
out of body experience or unexplained

3185
02:05:19,270 --> 02:05:17,040
aerial phenomena experience with a

3186
02:05:20,629 --> 02:05:19,280
mystical light associated with the

3187
02:05:25,350 --> 02:05:20,639
experience

3188
02:05:28,229 --> 02:05:25,360
and i lay it out very simply in the in

3189
02:05:30,790 --> 02:05:28,239
the book but was most profound for me

3190
02:05:33,510 --> 02:05:30,800
was the after effect i mentioned the the

3191
02:05:35,350 --> 02:05:33,520
effect in real time earlier uh with

3192
02:05:37,669 --> 02:05:35,360
people connecting to these phenomena and

3193
02:05:39,910 --> 02:05:37,679
even having telepathic messages from it

3194
02:05:42,149 --> 02:05:39,920
and a calmness taking over them the

3195
02:05:44,629 --> 02:05:42,159
positive after effect

3196
02:05:47,669 --> 02:05:44,639
the awakening the enlightenment that

3197
02:05:49,669 --> 02:05:47,679
happens within an individual who has an

3198
02:05:51,189 --> 02:05:49,679
unexplained phenomena experience

3199
02:05:54,390 --> 02:05:51,199
whatever it is

3200
02:05:56,950 --> 02:05:54,400
is so profound and life-changing i began

3201
02:05:59,109 --> 02:05:56,960
calling unexplained phenomena up an

3202
02:06:01,910 --> 02:05:59,119
unexplained phenomena and up

3203
02:06:03,589 --> 02:06:01,920
because it isn't up it is so positive i

3204
02:06:06,149 --> 02:06:03,599
mean we're talking

3205
02:06:08,550 --> 02:06:06,159
connectedness for the first time

3206
02:06:11,030 --> 02:06:08,560
that one feels to the universe to the

3207
02:06:12,229 --> 02:06:11,040
earth and to each other at such a deep

3208
02:06:14,550 --> 02:06:12,239
profound

3209
02:06:17,270 --> 02:06:14,560
level that it changes you forever i mean

3210
02:06:19,830 --> 02:06:17,280
this is over and over again i hear it

3211
02:06:21,750 --> 02:06:19,840
over and over again from people again

3212
02:06:24,310 --> 02:06:21,760
who are sharing their sighting for the

3213
02:06:25,750 --> 02:06:24,320
very first time uh that when you have an

3214
02:06:27,589 --> 02:06:25,760
experience like this and by the way you

3215
02:06:30,470 --> 02:06:27,599
don't have to have an up

3216
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:30,480
to experience to have this positive

3217
02:06:35,270 --> 02:06:32,880
transformation all you need to do is

3218
02:06:37,270 --> 02:06:35,280
open your mind and your heart and learn

3219
02:06:39,910 --> 02:06:37,280
about it and you suddenly you're going

3220
02:06:41,910 --> 02:06:39,920
to start realizing not only things that

3221
02:06:45,189 --> 02:06:41,920
you never noticed before but when your

3222
02:06:47,430 --> 02:06:45,199
eyes are open you take that veil away

3223
02:06:49,589 --> 02:06:47,440
and that little box that we have been

3224
02:06:51,589 --> 02:06:49,599
told we should be in

3225
02:06:53,109 --> 02:06:51,599
suddenly you there are serendipities

3226
02:06:55,030 --> 02:06:53,119
that just

3227
02:06:56,950 --> 02:06:55,040
blow you away i mean i promise you

3228
02:06:59,430 --> 02:06:56,960
anybody that's listening if you really

3229
02:07:01,270 --> 02:06:59,440
open your heart and mind and and start

3230
02:07:03,109 --> 02:07:01,280
learning about near-death experience and

3231
02:07:05,510 --> 02:07:03,119
start learning about these other

3232
02:07:08,870 --> 02:07:05,520
unexplained phenomena and be open to

3233
02:07:11,510 --> 02:07:08,880
things um it's it's amazing the wonders

3234
02:07:13,109 --> 02:07:11,520
that are out there and you know we i

3235
02:07:14,310 --> 02:07:13,119
mean science tells us that we only use

3236
02:07:17,189 --> 02:07:14,320
part of our brain well what's happening

3237
02:07:20,709 --> 02:07:17,199
with the rest of it okay we are capable

3238
02:07:24,149 --> 02:07:20,719
of so much more and healing too

3239
02:07:26,629 --> 02:07:24,159
appealing how are they connected

3240
02:07:28,550 --> 02:07:26,639
how are they connected yes um not only

3241
02:07:30,709 --> 02:07:28,560
by the experience themselves there's

3242
02:07:32,470 --> 02:07:30,719
people you know and there's a whole

3243
02:07:34,790 --> 02:07:32,480
rundown and i'm going to go into this in

3244
02:07:36,709 --> 02:07:34,800
my workshop at the uh contact in the

3245
02:07:39,430 --> 02:07:36,719
desert but there's a whole list of

3246
02:07:41,510 --> 02:07:39,440
things when people um will will feel

3247
02:07:43,669 --> 02:07:41,520
that there are they're out of their body

3248
02:07:46,149 --> 02:07:43,679
that suddenly time has stopped like i

3249
02:07:48,870 --> 02:07:46,159
felt when i went out on the balcony um

3250
02:07:51,270 --> 02:07:48,880
that that you're in a timeless realm

3251
02:07:54,470 --> 02:07:51,280
that suddenly um

3252
02:07:55,510 --> 02:07:54,480
that you feel that not only that there

3253
02:07:58,550 --> 02:07:55,520
may be

3254
02:08:00,870 --> 02:07:58,560
beings around you and seeing beings or

3255
02:08:03,350 --> 02:08:00,880
loved ones uh many people come back from

3256
02:08:05,750 --> 02:08:03,360
near-death experience describing

3257
02:08:07,830 --> 02:08:05,760
grandparents and and great-grandparents

3258
02:08:09,750 --> 02:08:07,840
that they never met but but they'll

3259
02:08:11,430 --> 02:08:09,760
describe them and then you know a parent

3260
02:08:13,270 --> 02:08:11,440
will show them a picture that they've

3261
02:08:15,350 --> 02:08:13,280
never seen before or they'll describe

3262
02:08:18,310 --> 02:08:15,360
them and it's exactly what they look

3263
02:08:20,310 --> 02:08:18,320
like um but not only that it's

3264
02:08:23,510 --> 02:08:20,320
there is really a

3265
02:08:25,589 --> 02:08:23,520
you know a a road thing that people see

3266
02:08:27,270 --> 02:08:25,599
not only in your death experience out of

3267
02:08:30,310 --> 02:08:27,280
body experience and unexplained

3268
02:08:33,350 --> 02:08:30,320
phenomena that are very very similar um

3269
02:08:35,830 --> 02:08:33,360
many people see beings in in white robes

3270
02:08:38,790 --> 02:08:35,840
um and when we talk about the watchers

3271
02:08:40,709 --> 02:08:38,800
uh in in history and

3272
02:08:43,109 --> 02:08:40,719
ancient writings around the world there

3273
02:08:44,229 --> 02:08:43,119
were these watchers i myself

3274
02:08:45,830 --> 02:08:44,239
um

3275
02:08:49,030 --> 02:08:45,840
when i had my near-death experience it

3276
02:08:51,030 --> 02:08:49,040
was in 56 okay and they were using ether

3277
02:08:54,229 --> 02:08:51,040
and i remember distinctly a mask being

3278
02:08:55,910 --> 02:08:54,239
put over my face in a dentist office and

3279
02:08:57,830 --> 02:08:55,920
suddenly um

3280
02:09:00,950 --> 02:08:57,840
you know there was i was going around in

3281
02:09:02,069 --> 02:09:00,960
a like a spin like a like a revolving

3282
02:09:02,950 --> 02:09:02,079
glass

3283
02:09:06,149 --> 02:09:02,960
door

3284
02:09:08,870 --> 02:09:06,159
and suddenly it came to a barrier

3285
02:09:10,870 --> 02:09:08,880
and i knew if i went past that barrier

3286
02:09:13,430 --> 02:09:10,880
that i would be dead and you have to

3287
02:09:16,390 --> 02:09:13,440
realize i i we had really very little

3288
02:09:18,550 --> 02:09:16,400
religion in our house as many and and

3289
02:09:20,229 --> 02:09:18,560
you know it was very sheltered and and

3290
02:09:23,189 --> 02:09:20,239
really didn't know anything about any of

3291
02:09:26,229 --> 02:09:23,199
this stuff and um and yet

3292
02:09:29,589 --> 02:09:26,239
when i knew that i would be dead and

3293
02:09:30,950 --> 02:09:29,599
my mom who doted on me um and i was in

3294
02:09:33,830 --> 02:09:30,960
professional musical theater and all

3295
02:09:37,109 --> 02:09:33,840
that by the time i was six um

3296
02:09:38,790 --> 02:09:37,119
i i had a near i had a short life review

3297
02:09:41,030 --> 02:09:38,800
and knew that if i

3298
02:09:43,189 --> 02:09:41,040
died she would be devastated and i was

3299
02:09:45,109 --> 02:09:43,199
in a panic that i couldn't die i

3300
02:09:47,350 --> 02:09:45,119
couldn't die and suddenly

3301
02:09:48,950 --> 02:09:47,360
i shot up above the earth very

3302
02:09:51,350 --> 02:09:48,960
peacefully

3303
02:09:52,550 --> 02:09:51,360
just floating in the clouds and by the

3304
02:09:54,470 --> 02:09:52,560
way i didn't share this with assaults

3305
02:09:57,189 --> 02:09:54,480
while i came out with the first edition

3306
02:09:58,709 --> 02:09:57,199
of my book in 2004. sure but i laid it

3307
02:10:00,310 --> 02:09:58,719
all out there because i know lots of

3308
02:10:02,229 --> 02:10:00,320
other people have had experiences like

3309
02:10:03,830 --> 02:10:02,239
this and it was as real as i'm talking

3310
02:10:05,990 --> 02:10:03,840
to you now okay

3311
02:10:09,430 --> 02:10:06,000
and anyway i'm floating above the clouds

3312
02:10:11,669 --> 02:10:09,440
and suddenly i noticed three giant now i

3313
02:10:13,750 --> 02:10:11,679
was a little kid so maybe they were only

3314
02:10:16,390 --> 02:10:13,760
ten feet but to me they were giant

3315
02:10:18,790 --> 02:10:16,400
beings with white robes with hoods over

3316
02:10:20,950 --> 02:10:18,800
their heads and i tried to see their

3317
02:10:23,270 --> 02:10:20,960
faces i bent over to see their faces and

3318
02:10:26,629 --> 02:10:23,280
the hoods were over their faces so i did

3319
02:10:28,470 --> 02:10:26,639
not see the faces but i felt

3320
02:10:31,189 --> 02:10:28,480
an incredible

3321
02:10:32,950 --> 02:10:31,199
feeling of unconditional love they knew

3322
02:10:34,950 --> 02:10:32,960
who i was

3323
02:10:37,669 --> 02:10:34,960
and they looked like they were looking

3324
02:10:40,550 --> 02:10:37,679
towards earth and i turned my head

3325
02:10:43,030 --> 02:10:40,560
and it was as if i had a telescope that

3326
02:10:44,550 --> 02:10:43,040
could just take a bee line to earth and

3327
02:10:47,589 --> 02:10:44,560
i could see people doing things i could

3328
02:10:50,709 --> 02:10:47,599
see children you know drawing uh the

3329
02:10:53,830 --> 02:10:50,719
chalk hopscotch on the on the sidewalk

3330
02:10:55,350 --> 02:10:53,840
and jumping over and uh the milkman

3331
02:10:56,870 --> 02:10:55,360
delivering milk at the door which i used

3332
02:11:00,390 --> 02:10:56,880
to do in 56

3333
02:11:02,470 --> 02:11:00,400
and i i saw a man putting out a sign to

3334
02:11:04,149 --> 02:11:02,480
hurl the opening of the store

3335
02:11:06,149 --> 02:11:04,159
and the thing that was like

3336
02:11:08,310 --> 02:11:06,159
the most poignant was that i knew what

3337
02:11:10,870 --> 02:11:08,320
was going to come next i knew what was

3338
02:11:12,229 --> 02:11:10,880
going to come next and i thought wait a

3339
02:11:14,069 --> 02:11:12,239
minute

3340
02:11:16,470 --> 02:11:14,079
does that mean again we're talking a

3341
02:11:19,830 --> 02:11:16,480
very naive child to come up with this

3342
02:11:22,310 --> 02:11:19,840
does that mean that what comes before us

3343
02:11:24,629 --> 02:11:22,320
is destined that we have no control over

3344
02:11:26,550 --> 02:11:24,639
what comes before us and then a thought

3345
02:11:29,189 --> 02:11:26,560
popped in my head well wait a minute we

3346
02:11:32,069 --> 02:11:29,199
might not have control over what comes

3347
02:11:34,390 --> 02:11:32,079
before us but we do have control over

3348
02:11:37,270 --> 02:11:34,400
what we do with that situation if we

3349
02:11:40,550 --> 02:11:37,280
take advantage of that opportunity if we

3350
02:11:42,790 --> 02:11:40,560
treat that person nice or not we we have

3351
02:11:45,350 --> 02:11:42,800
the choice to do that and i thought well

3352
02:11:47,430 --> 02:11:45,360
wait a minute if these beings are giving

3353
02:11:51,030 --> 02:11:47,440
us a stimulus

3354
02:11:54,310 --> 02:11:51,040
and watching for our reaction

3355
02:11:57,030 --> 02:11:54,320
aren't human beings but an experiment

3356
02:11:59,270 --> 02:11:57,040
and with that very thought

3357
02:12:01,830 --> 02:11:59,280
i hear a magnanimous male voice say it's

3358
02:12:05,030 --> 02:12:01,840
not your time it's not your time you

3359
02:12:09,270 --> 02:12:05,040
there's a reason you have to go back

3360
02:12:12,149 --> 02:12:09,280
suddenly i was in my body uh something

3361
02:12:13,830 --> 02:12:12,159
happened okay i remember distinctly

3362
02:12:15,350 --> 02:12:13,840
the nurse and the doctor kept asking if

3363
02:12:18,149 --> 02:12:15,360
i was okay they had my legs up in the

3364
02:12:19,589 --> 02:12:18,159
air they never said a word to my parents

3365
02:12:20,550 --> 02:12:19,599
about anything

3366
02:12:23,109 --> 02:12:20,560
but

3367
02:12:24,790 --> 02:12:23,119
again as real as i'm talking to you

3368
02:12:26,069 --> 02:12:24,800
it was so vivid

3369
02:12:28,069 --> 02:12:26,079
it was real

3370
02:12:30,550 --> 02:12:28,079
and for weeks after i didn't talk to a

3371
02:12:31,990 --> 02:12:30,560
soul i went to a to a park that was near

3372
02:12:34,470 --> 02:12:32,000
our house and kept looking up to see if

3373
02:12:37,270 --> 02:12:34,480
i could see those beings but i have to

3374
02:12:38,629 --> 02:12:37,280
admit and i admitted in my book

3375
02:12:40,629 --> 02:12:38,639
that i have felt that they have been

3376
02:12:42,950 --> 02:12:40,639
with me since and they have been my

3377
02:12:45,109 --> 02:12:42,960
guides and i have trusted in the

3378
02:12:48,310 --> 02:12:45,119
guidance and actually it's brought me

3379
02:12:50,629 --> 02:12:48,320
here to you because at one point after

3380
02:12:52,069 --> 02:12:50,639
the mass sighting happened and again

3381
02:12:53,830 --> 02:12:52,079
people have asked me do you think

3382
02:12:55,030 --> 02:12:53,840
there's three words outside your window

3383
02:12:57,189 --> 02:12:55,040
because by the way it was the night

3384
02:12:59,910 --> 02:12:57,199
before my birthday when they appeared

3385
02:13:01,669 --> 02:12:59,920
right right right i was 95.

3386
02:13:03,750 --> 02:13:01,679
um you know are they connected in some

3387
02:13:04,470 --> 02:13:03,760
way to these beings i don't know i don't

3388
02:13:10,390 --> 02:13:04,480
know

3389
02:13:12,310 --> 02:13:10,400
there but i i want to jump in really

3390
02:13:14,870 --> 02:13:12,320
quick this is just the way my brain

3391
02:13:17,189 --> 02:13:14,880
works when you saw you know the the

3392
02:13:18,709 --> 02:13:17,199
hoods were draped over their faces

3393
02:13:21,750 --> 02:13:18,719
could you see part of their face like

3394
02:13:24,470 --> 02:13:21,760
maybe no i did not i i no i could not

3395
02:13:26,229 --> 02:13:24,480
see their faces but they knew me and

3396
02:13:28,310 --> 02:13:26,239
they there was unconditional love there

3397
02:13:30,790 --> 02:13:28,320
was so much love it was like ecstasy

3398
02:13:33,030 --> 02:13:30,800
love and and i have to tell you that

3399
02:13:34,870 --> 02:13:33,040
since that you know after that happened

3400
02:13:36,709 --> 02:13:34,880
i thought that they were spirit world i

3401
02:13:38,310 --> 02:13:36,719
have to tell you but now after the

3402
02:13:39,750 --> 02:13:38,320
phoenix flights happened i don't know

3403
02:13:40,470 --> 02:13:39,760
what they were

3404
02:13:42,229 --> 02:13:40,480
well

3405
02:13:44,069 --> 02:13:42,239
i know that they've been with me i know

3406
02:13:46,310 --> 02:13:44,079
i i have trusted in the guidance and

3407
02:13:48,390 --> 02:13:46,320
it's always taken me to it to a good

3408
02:13:50,709 --> 02:13:48,400
place and including this because at one

3409
02:13:52,149 --> 02:13:50,719
point it was like you know i kept asking

3410
02:13:53,510 --> 02:13:52,159
my friends why do i have this data i

3411
02:13:55,030 --> 02:13:53,520
don't want to do this this is too

3412
02:13:57,430 --> 02:13:55,040
controversial i don't know anything

3413
02:13:59,030 --> 02:13:57,440
about this and you know they would say

3414
02:14:01,750 --> 02:13:59,040
lynn this is what you've been doing for

3415
02:14:03,830 --> 02:14:01,760
40 years 30 years at the time uh you

3416
02:14:05,589 --> 02:14:03,840
know this is what you do if anybody can

3417
02:14:08,310 --> 02:14:05,599
do something credible and professional

3418
02:14:10,149 --> 02:14:08,320
with this you can and but i resisted and

3419
02:14:12,470 --> 02:14:10,159
i you know at one point and i talk about

3420
02:14:13,910 --> 02:14:12,480
it in the book i just surrendered i said

3421
02:14:15,830 --> 02:14:13,920
hey you know if i'm supposed to do

3422
02:14:16,709 --> 02:14:15,840
something credible and professional with

3423
02:14:19,589 --> 02:14:16,719
this

3424
02:14:21,109 --> 02:14:19,599
show me the way and give me a sign and i

3425
02:14:23,270 --> 02:14:21,119
won't tell you i won't ruin it for the

3426
02:14:26,390 --> 02:14:23,280
reader but they gave me a

3427
02:14:29,189 --> 02:14:26,400
very heavy sign that really

3428
02:14:31,430 --> 02:14:29,199
jolted my being and gave me a message

3429
02:14:34,069 --> 02:14:31,440
that uh sent me on the journey that

3430
02:14:35,669 --> 02:14:34,079
brought me here but um did you think

3431
02:14:37,589 --> 02:14:35,679
what you saw

3432
02:14:39,430 --> 02:14:37,599
uh were angels

3433
02:14:42,470 --> 02:14:39,440
i don't know

3434
02:14:44,229 --> 02:14:42,480
i know that they were

3435
02:14:46,149 --> 02:14:44,239
you know glowing white robes and they

3436
02:14:48,149 --> 02:14:46,159
were beautiful and they were

3437
02:14:49,910 --> 02:14:48,159
they i've trusted in the guides i'll

3438
02:14:55,830 --> 02:14:49,920
tell you a little story okay i mentioned

3439
02:14:58,870 --> 02:14:57,350
that i have trusted in the guidance and

3440
02:14:59,830 --> 02:14:58,880
i don't hear voices or anything i just

3441
02:15:02,950 --> 02:14:59,840
get

3442
02:15:06,390 --> 02:15:02,960
really um inspired or i feel strongly

3443
02:15:08,550 --> 02:15:06,400
about doing something or whatever and it

3444
02:15:10,870 --> 02:15:08,560
just always takes me to a good place

3445
02:15:12,709 --> 02:15:10,880
um i was in professional musical theater

3446
02:15:14,790 --> 02:15:12,719
as i as i mentioned i toured with gordon

3447
02:15:16,709 --> 02:15:14,800
mcrae in oklahoma and betty grable and

3448
02:15:18,390 --> 02:15:16,719
guys and dolls singing this by forte by

3449
02:15:20,390 --> 02:15:18,400
the way i have a three octave singing

3450
02:15:23,109 --> 02:15:20,400
voice which if i it was my choice that's

3451
02:15:25,669 --> 02:15:23,119
what i would be doing but whatever um

3452
02:15:28,229 --> 02:15:25,679
and i understudied barbara reed and uh

3453
02:15:29,350 --> 02:15:28,239
you know i dream of jeannie and and uh

3454
02:15:31,589 --> 02:15:29,360
and um

3455
02:15:33,430 --> 02:15:31,599
uh sound of music and

3456
02:15:35,750 --> 02:15:33,440
good alice and alice wonderland on

3457
02:15:37,830 --> 02:15:35,760
broadway with sherman hemsley mr

3458
02:15:40,149 --> 02:15:37,840
jefferson before he was a big star

3459
02:15:42,390 --> 02:15:40,159
and uh and you know you know i did the

3460
02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:42,400
movie racing arizona right that's all we

3461
02:15:46,550 --> 02:15:43,840
you and i have talked about that yet

3462
02:15:49,669 --> 02:15:46,560
right right which was really ironic i

3463
02:15:52,550 --> 02:15:49,679
just as a little aside um which i didn't

3464
02:15:54,390 --> 02:15:52,560
even realize this was uh done in 87 it

3465
02:15:56,310 --> 02:15:54,400
came out ten years before the mass

3466
02:15:58,390 --> 02:15:56,320
sighting and someone came up to me a

3467
02:15:59,830 --> 02:15:58,400
couple years ago and said um you know

3468
02:16:02,229 --> 02:15:59,840
there's a reference

3469
02:16:04,149 --> 02:16:02,239
to your character florence arizona i

3470
02:16:05,510 --> 02:16:04,159
played the mother of the quintuplets and

3471
02:16:07,750 --> 02:16:05,520
anybody that doesn't know the story it's

3472
02:16:09,669 --> 02:16:07,760
a cold favorite cohen brothers

3473
02:16:12,870 --> 02:16:09,679
movie about um

3474
02:16:15,350 --> 02:16:12,880
the arizona uh couple who cannot have uh

3475
02:16:17,669 --> 02:16:15,360
children and they they use fertilization

3476
02:16:19,990 --> 02:16:17,679
and she has quintuplets and then uh is a

3477
02:16:23,510 --> 02:16:20,000
black combinate comedy uh holly hunter

3478
02:16:25,830 --> 02:16:23,520
and um uh nicholas cage uh decide that

3479
02:16:27,990 --> 02:16:25,840
they can uh they they can't have any

3480
02:16:30,550 --> 02:16:28,000
children so they uh decide to take one

3481
02:16:36,870 --> 02:16:30,560
of the one of the babies and and john

3482
02:16:41,190 --> 02:16:39,190
so anyway uh you know this guy tells me

3483
02:16:43,270 --> 02:16:41,200
that there's a reference to my character

3484
02:16:44,790 --> 02:16:43,280
and ufos in the movie and i didn't even

3485
02:16:47,270 --> 02:16:44,800
remember i mean i hadn't seen it since

3486
02:16:50,309 --> 02:16:47,280
the 80s and i went back to look and it

3487
02:16:51,990 --> 02:16:50,319
was like oh my goodness one one when one

3488
02:16:53,429 --> 02:16:52,000
of the babies is kidnapped when nathan

3489
02:16:55,429 --> 02:16:53,439
jr is kidnapped

3490
02:16:57,750 --> 02:16:55,439
there's a press conference at our home

3491
02:17:00,629 --> 02:16:57,760
afterwards in front of our home and

3492
02:17:02,389 --> 02:17:00,639
one of the reporters sticks a microphone

3493
02:17:05,349 --> 02:17:02,399
in my husband's face and nathan are

3494
02:17:07,349 --> 02:17:05,359
doing nathan senior and says we heard

3495
02:17:10,070 --> 02:17:07,359
there's a rumor that your son was

3496
02:17:12,230 --> 02:17:10,080
abducted by ufos is there any truth to

3497
02:17:13,830 --> 02:17:12,240
that and my husband says please son

3498
02:17:16,870 --> 02:17:13,840
please don't print that if his mama

3499
02:17:19,349 --> 02:17:16,880
reads it she'll lose all hope which is a

3500
02:17:21,509 --> 02:17:19,359
lot different than what i feel um but

3501
02:17:23,349 --> 02:17:21,519
the other ironic thing is that the

3502
02:17:25,429 --> 02:17:23,359
cinematographer

3503
02:17:28,309 --> 02:17:25,439
who i worked intimately with on a couple

3504
02:17:30,709 --> 02:17:28,319
of scenes uh ended up to do the move it

3505
02:17:33,589 --> 02:17:30,719
was one of his first movies uh ended up

3506
02:17:36,389 --> 02:17:33,599
to do big with tom hanks and uh when

3507
02:17:39,110 --> 02:17:36,399
harry met sally with uh

3508
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:39,120
you know meg ryan and um uh billy

3509
02:17:43,030 --> 02:17:41,120
crystal and a whole host of other things

3510
02:17:45,030 --> 02:17:43,040
and ended up doing the men in black

3511
02:17:47,190 --> 02:17:45,040
series now if you can't tell me that's a

3512
02:17:49,509 --> 02:17:47,200
coincidence yeah that's pretty trippy

3513
02:17:51,830 --> 02:17:49,519
isn't that amazing anyways

3514
02:17:53,669 --> 02:17:51,840
yeah one of the things that um one of

3515
02:17:56,709 --> 02:17:53,679
the times that

3516
02:17:59,830 --> 02:17:56,719
really turned my life in a new direction

3517
02:18:02,230 --> 02:17:59,840
um and i asked for guidance was um

3518
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:02,240
besides the phoenix flight

3519
02:18:05,589 --> 02:18:04,160
was i was called i was actually under

3520
02:18:08,150 --> 02:18:05,599
studying barbara eden and sound music at

3521
02:18:12,549 --> 02:18:08,160
the time the touring and i was called by

3522
02:18:14,870 --> 02:18:12,559
leon eures who wrote the book exodus

3523
02:18:16,709 --> 02:18:14,880
and it was a giant hit book and then

3524
02:18:19,030 --> 02:18:16,719
they did the movie with elminio and paul

3525
02:18:21,030 --> 02:18:19,040
newman and that was a giant hit

3526
02:18:23,030 --> 02:18:21,040
and now they were doing the musical and

3527
02:18:25,349 --> 02:18:23,040
don't ask me how he found out but he

3528
02:18:27,429 --> 02:18:25,359
found out about me somehow and caught

3529
02:18:30,790 --> 02:18:27,439
called me to audition in new york for

3530
02:18:32,230 --> 02:18:30,800
the part of karen theon juneau

3531
02:18:34,790 --> 02:18:32,240
which was like

3532
02:18:36,870 --> 02:18:34,800
oh my goodness i mean you know that i

3533
02:18:39,669 --> 02:18:36,880
mean here he is i said book and then

3534
02:18:41,110 --> 02:18:39,679
movie and i go to audition role and it

3535
02:18:43,669 --> 02:18:41,120
happened to be

3536
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:43,679
one month before i started medical

3537
02:18:46,950 --> 02:18:45,280
school okay

3538
02:18:48,790 --> 02:18:46,960
and in the early seventies i started

3539
02:18:52,150 --> 02:18:48,800
medical school in 1970 it was only a

3540
02:18:53,830 --> 02:18:52,160
handful of women in a class of 120. um

3541
02:18:54,870 --> 02:18:53,840
so you know

3542
02:18:56,549 --> 02:18:54,880
when i

3543
02:18:58,389 --> 02:18:56,559
was auditioning and it got down to two

3544
02:18:59,509 --> 02:18:58,399
of us i had to do some major soul

3545
02:19:00,549 --> 02:18:59,519
searching

3546
02:19:03,270 --> 02:19:00,559
and

3547
02:19:05,349 --> 02:19:03,280
the answer that came to me was that i

3548
02:19:07,589 --> 02:19:05,359
had to go to medical school and one day

3549
02:19:09,990 --> 02:19:07,599
i would know why and that was what came

3550
02:19:12,230 --> 02:19:10,000
to me and it was a very difficult

3551
02:19:13,830 --> 02:19:12,240
decision let me tell you but you know i

3552
02:19:15,190 --> 02:19:13,840
totally on yours i couldn't do it i was

3553
02:19:16,549 --> 02:19:15,200
starting medical school he wasn't too

3554
02:19:18,790 --> 02:19:16,559
happy about that

3555
02:19:20,709 --> 02:19:18,800
but the show went on the road you know

3556
02:19:23,190 --> 02:19:20,719
how they used to do that on the road in

3557
02:19:25,190 --> 02:19:23,200
boston whatever they open up

3558
02:19:27,429 --> 02:19:25,200
and it opened in new york

3559
02:19:29,669 --> 02:19:27,439
it closed in three weeks

3560
02:19:31,669 --> 02:19:29,679
i would have been dead meat

3561
02:19:34,309 --> 02:19:31,679
no medical school would have ever

3562
02:19:36,549 --> 02:19:34,319
accepted me again so that was only one

3563
02:19:38,709 --> 02:19:36,559
of many many times where i did my

3564
02:19:41,910 --> 02:19:38,719
soul-searching and i asked for an answer

3565
02:19:43,910 --> 02:19:41,920
and i got one and i trusted it and so

3566
02:19:46,309 --> 02:19:43,920
you know as far as these

3567
02:19:47,910 --> 02:19:46,319
beings i don't know who they are but i

3568
02:19:51,110 --> 02:19:47,920
have felt that they have been with me

3569
02:19:53,670 --> 02:19:51,120
for since since i was a child and um you

3570
02:19:55,670 --> 02:19:53,680
know i think that any everybody has

3571
02:19:57,190 --> 02:19:55,680
um can have a connection and i'm going

3572
02:19:59,349 --> 02:19:57,200
to be talking about that too a contact

3573
02:20:02,150 --> 02:19:59,359
in the desert in my workshop uh how to

3574
02:20:03,830 --> 02:20:02,160
connect to these other beings um but be

3575
02:20:05,349 --> 02:20:03,840
but i know time is of the essence and i

3576
02:20:08,389 --> 02:20:05,359
wanted to get to one other thing if i

3577
02:20:10,389 --> 02:20:08,399
could sure but before before before i

3578
02:20:12,790 --> 02:20:10,399
before i let you do that

3579
02:20:15,030 --> 02:20:12,800
i want to ask you so

3580
02:20:17,030 --> 02:20:15,040
you said that you had a little uh

3581
02:20:19,670 --> 02:20:17,040
communication when you were doing the

3582
02:20:21,030 --> 02:20:19,680
shots with the 35 millimeters right

3583
02:20:25,349 --> 02:20:21,040
um

3584
02:20:27,750 --> 02:20:25,359
did did you feel like they were the same

3585
02:20:29,510 --> 02:20:27,760
uh beings that

3586
02:20:31,429 --> 02:20:29,520
you connected with when you were eight

3587
02:20:33,270 --> 02:20:31,439
years old

3588
02:20:35,190 --> 02:20:33,280
i didn't really think about that at the

3589
02:20:36,630 --> 02:20:35,200
time but i'm going to tell you what what

3590
02:20:38,550 --> 02:20:36,640
happened and this is really important

3591
02:20:39,670 --> 02:20:38,560
and this is part of the whole story

3592
02:20:41,429 --> 02:20:39,680
um

3593
02:20:43,190 --> 02:20:41,439
and why i'm sharing it now because i

3594
02:20:46,150 --> 02:20:43,200
think we thought we're finally ready to

3595
02:20:48,870 --> 02:20:46,160
hear it i'm about ready

3596
02:20:50,950 --> 02:20:48,880
but anyway um a year after the mass

3597
02:20:53,429 --> 02:20:50,960
meeting we had another sighting that was

3598
02:20:55,590 --> 02:20:53,439
spectacular and i put the video in the

3599
02:20:56,710 --> 02:20:55,600
in the documentary i mean this was

3600
02:20:58,950 --> 02:20:56,720
uh i

3601
02:21:01,110 --> 02:20:58,960
alerted uh because i saw the lights

3602
02:21:02,710 --> 02:21:01,120
again through a thick fog okay and i

3603
02:21:04,710 --> 02:21:02,720
wasn't sure i met with the university of

3604
02:21:07,270 --> 02:21:04,720
arizona that's another thing i've had my

3605
02:21:09,429 --> 02:21:07,280
35 millimeter data uh

3606
02:21:10,710 --> 02:21:09,439
i mean analyzed by university by

3607
02:21:13,270 --> 02:21:10,720
military

3608
02:21:15,429 --> 02:21:13,280
optical scientists physicists on across

3609
02:21:18,309 --> 02:21:15,439
the board um they don't have an answer

3610
02:21:20,230 --> 02:21:18,319
they're true unknowns but after this one

3611
02:21:21,429 --> 02:21:20,240
sighting happened and i had alerted

3612
02:21:23,030 --> 02:21:21,439
people and we had

3613
02:21:25,110 --> 02:21:23,040
four of us were north south east and

3614
02:21:27,990 --> 02:21:25,120
west to see a 20-minute array of

3615
02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:28,000
straight lines 40 miles wide mirror

3616
02:21:32,550 --> 02:21:30,720
images the final thing is a giant uh

3617
02:21:34,950 --> 02:21:32,560
pyramid of three lights i mean it was

3618
02:21:36,870 --> 02:21:34,960
just spectacular um actually linda

3619
02:21:38,790 --> 02:21:36,880
molten hal who i had met with in

3620
02:21:41,110 --> 02:21:38,800
philadelphia where i'm originally from

3621
02:21:43,349 --> 02:21:41,120
and um i asked her to meet with me and

3622
02:21:44,950 --> 02:21:43,359
very few people knew who i was and knew

3623
02:21:45,910 --> 02:21:44,960
who had the picture they they used to

3624
02:21:48,389 --> 02:21:45,920
call

3625
02:21:50,309 --> 02:21:48,399
that person dr x uh from village lives

3626
02:21:51,910 --> 02:21:50,319
but anyway right right she had yeah she

3627
02:21:54,150 --> 02:21:51,920
had recommended that i get in touch with

3628
02:21:55,670 --> 02:21:54,160
dr bruce mcavee navy optical physicist

3629
02:21:57,590 --> 02:21:55,680
very well respected

3630
02:22:00,150 --> 02:21:57,600
and here i had an opportunity i had four

3631
02:22:02,389 --> 02:22:00,160
videos that i uh i asked him to take a

3632
02:22:04,150 --> 02:22:02,399
look at and i said by the way i have

3633
02:22:06,230 --> 02:22:04,160
the first and last picture of a closed

3634
02:22:08,309 --> 02:22:06,240
sighting that i'm gonna you know stick

3635
02:22:10,389 --> 02:22:08,319
in which i stuck in at the last minute

3636
02:22:11,910 --> 02:22:10,399
um as an afterthought uh would you mind

3637
02:22:13,349 --> 02:22:11,920
taking a look at them and tell me what

3638
02:22:14,389 --> 02:22:13,359
they are

3639
02:22:16,710 --> 02:22:14,399
and

3640
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:16,720
about two three weeks later he calls me

3641
02:22:20,469 --> 02:22:18,319
up he said you told me that that closed

3642
02:22:23,830 --> 02:22:20,479
sighting in 95 was like two three

3643
02:22:25,830 --> 02:22:23,840
minutes i said right he said um

3644
02:22:28,070 --> 02:22:25,840
will your husband confirm that

3645
02:22:30,950 --> 02:22:28,080
and i had to tell you i was outside and

3646
02:22:32,950 --> 02:22:30,960
he was inside and he's not one to get

3647
02:22:35,830 --> 02:22:32,960
rattled by anything he was on several

3648
02:22:37,429 --> 02:22:35,840
state and medical boards and so forth um

3649
02:22:39,429 --> 02:22:37,439
he wouldn't talk about it

3650
02:22:40,469 --> 02:22:39,439
whereas i thought that's why each person

3651
02:22:42,469 --> 02:22:40,479
is different we all come from a

3652
02:22:43,910 --> 02:22:42,479
different background from a different

3653
02:22:45,670 --> 02:22:43,920
upbringing from a different belief

3654
02:22:47,270 --> 02:22:45,680
system and world view some people can't

3655
02:22:48,230 --> 02:22:47,280
deal with this topic some people don't

3656
02:22:51,590 --> 02:22:48,240
want to

3657
02:22:53,990 --> 02:22:51,600
um you know that's okay that's okay

3658
02:22:55,990 --> 02:22:54,000
everyone in their own time that is there

3659
02:22:57,670 --> 02:22:56,000
though now as people want to look at it

3660
02:22:59,830 --> 02:22:57,680
but anyway he would never talk about it

3661
02:23:01,510 --> 02:22:59,840
he he got agitated when i brought it up

3662
02:23:02,870 --> 02:23:01,520
and to me it was like so wondrous and

3663
02:23:05,030 --> 02:23:02,880
unbelievable

3664
02:23:06,309 --> 02:23:05,040
so i told him that he won't talk about

3665
02:23:08,389 --> 02:23:06,319
it he said you've got to sit him down

3666
02:23:10,309 --> 02:23:08,399
and corroborate and which i did finally

3667
02:23:12,070 --> 02:23:10,319
this was three years later and i said

3668
02:23:13,429 --> 02:23:12,080
just tell me how long you thought it was

3669
02:23:15,910 --> 02:23:13,439
he said i don't know two three four

3670
02:23:17,910 --> 02:23:15,920
minutes tops i said fine and i went back

3671
02:23:19,670 --> 02:23:17,920
to dr mcabee and he said that's

3672
02:23:21,190 --> 02:23:19,680
impossible i said what do you mean

3673
02:23:23,830 --> 02:23:21,200
anybody that's by a computer that can

3674
02:23:25,429 --> 02:23:23,840
look at the pictures um we'll see

3675
02:23:27,429 --> 02:23:25,439
what i'm talking about

3676
02:23:29,510 --> 02:23:27,439
the first and the last picture yes he

3677
02:23:30,870 --> 02:23:29,520
said first of all he was he was the

3678
02:23:32,630 --> 02:23:30,880
first one to notice because i thought it

3679
02:23:34,870 --> 02:23:32,640
was just part of the landscape

3680
02:23:37,429 --> 02:23:34,880
that the same exact phenomena was in the

3681
02:23:38,790 --> 02:23:37,439
background in the same spot

3682
02:23:40,309 --> 02:23:38,800
when we were taking the cloud when i was

3683
02:23:42,630 --> 02:23:40,319
taking the closed pictures and so

3684
02:23:44,710 --> 02:23:42,640
focused on the closed orbs they were

3685
02:23:46,070 --> 02:23:44,720
disappearing in the back as well so we

3686
02:23:48,790 --> 02:23:46,080
surmised that there might have been six

3687
02:23:51,110 --> 02:23:48,800
to begin with and as the orbs closed by

3688
02:23:53,750 --> 02:23:51,120
were uh you know imploding and

3689
02:23:55,270 --> 02:23:53,760
disappearing those were disappearing at

3690
02:23:57,910 --> 02:23:55,280
a distance as well

3691
02:24:01,030 --> 02:23:57,920
but that wasn't the big thing for him he

3692
02:24:02,790 --> 02:24:01,040
said look at the skyline i said okay and

3693
02:24:05,110 --> 02:24:02,800
i would never notice this in a zillion

3694
02:24:06,870 --> 02:24:05,120
years he said there are many

3695
02:24:08,710 --> 02:24:06,880
groups of lights not just individual

3696
02:24:10,469 --> 02:24:08,720
lights but groups of lights on in the

3697
02:24:13,030 --> 02:24:10,479
first picture

3698
02:24:14,630 --> 02:24:13,040
that are out in the last picture he said

3699
02:24:15,910 --> 02:24:14,640
that does not happen in two to three

3700
02:24:18,630 --> 02:24:15,920
minutes he said i want you to do an

3701
02:24:20,710 --> 02:24:18,640
experiment he said stand outside on the

3702
02:24:23,670 --> 02:24:20,720
balcony approximately the same spot you

3703
02:24:25,670 --> 02:24:23,680
were standing in 95 and take the skyline

3704
02:24:27,270 --> 02:24:25,680
pictures once every hour and then the

3705
02:24:28,870 --> 02:24:27,280
next night every half hour and i

3706
02:24:31,030 --> 02:24:28,880
actually did it another night every 15

3707
02:24:32,950 --> 02:24:31,040
minutes to see when the lights go out

3708
02:24:35,030 --> 02:24:32,960
now my husband called me one wall of our

3709
02:24:36,950 --> 02:24:35,040
bedroom is a window i'm actually looking

3710
02:24:39,110 --> 02:24:36,960
out that window right now

3711
02:24:40,790 --> 02:24:39,120
and so if anything pops up out there we

3712
02:24:43,030 --> 02:24:40,800
get to see it and he was standing at the

3713
02:24:45,750 --> 02:24:43,040
window at the time when i was taking a

3714
02:24:47,990 --> 02:24:45,760
bath and um and he called me out of the

3715
02:24:49,910 --> 02:24:48,000
bath and i usually take a bath

3716
02:24:51,429 --> 02:24:49,920
uh when we're home between seven and

3717
02:24:53,910 --> 02:24:51,439
eight o'clock so let's be conservative

3718
02:24:55,670 --> 02:24:53,920
and say it started at eight o'clock

3719
02:24:57,110 --> 02:24:55,680
the groups of lights are going out at

3720
02:25:00,150 --> 02:24:57,120
nine o'clock

3721
02:25:02,469 --> 02:25:00,160
the last picture is indicative of 10 30

3722
02:25:04,150 --> 02:25:02,479
11 o'clock now he says to me can i

3723
02:25:07,349 --> 02:25:04,160
present this

3724
02:25:08,630 --> 02:25:07,359
case at the upcoming 1999

3725
02:25:11,190 --> 02:25:08,640
mufon

3726
02:25:13,830 --> 02:25:11,200
uh symposium in washington dc

3727
02:25:15,830 --> 02:25:13,840
i said hey you know dr mcabee this is

3728
02:25:17,030 --> 02:25:15,840
your baby i would have never noticed

3729
02:25:18,070 --> 02:25:17,040
this data

3730
02:25:20,070 --> 02:25:18,080
you've done it

3731
02:25:23,270 --> 02:25:20,080
very meticulous if you want to read the

3732
02:25:26,070 --> 02:25:23,280
23 page reports on on the website

3733
02:25:28,309 --> 02:25:26,080
and i said just don't mention my name i

3734
02:25:29,910 --> 02:25:28,319
want to remain anonymous and he honored

3735
02:25:31,510 --> 02:25:29,920
that as did the handful of people that

3736
02:25:32,790 --> 02:25:31,520
knew who i was which i'm very grateful

3737
02:25:33,830 --> 02:25:32,800
to this day

3738
02:25:36,150 --> 02:25:33,840
but

3739
02:25:38,309 --> 02:25:36,160
he presented it as the first and as far

3740
02:25:40,790 --> 02:25:38,319
as i know the only

3741
02:25:43,830 --> 02:25:40,800
authenticated analyzed and authenticated

3742
02:25:45,429 --> 02:25:43,840
35 millimeter photographic evidence of

3743
02:25:46,870 --> 02:25:45,439
missing time

3744
02:25:49,270 --> 02:25:46,880
interesting

3745
02:25:51,349 --> 02:25:49,280
now the reason i'm sharing it now

3746
02:25:53,270 --> 02:25:51,359
is because number one

3747
02:25:54,950 --> 02:25:53,280
if it can help okay i don't believe in

3748
02:25:56,389 --> 02:25:54,960
coincidence anymore i had this data for

3749
02:25:57,830 --> 02:25:56,399
some reason

3750
02:25:58,790 --> 02:25:57,840
number one

3751
02:26:05,110 --> 02:25:58,800
time

3752
02:26:07,030 --> 02:26:05,120
primitive past present and future

3753
02:26:09,190 --> 02:26:07,040
it's not what time really is and

3754
02:26:10,870 --> 02:26:09,200
certainly i experienced that when i went

3755
02:26:13,510 --> 02:26:10,880
out on the balcony and many people

3756
02:26:16,150 --> 02:26:13,520
experience that when they have an up an

3757
02:26:17,590 --> 02:26:16,160
unexplained phenomena experience okay

3758
02:26:20,469 --> 02:26:17,600
it's timeless

3759
02:26:22,389 --> 02:26:20,479
number one number two quantum physics

3760
02:26:24,309 --> 02:26:22,399
and quantum mechanics is now talking

3761
02:26:26,389 --> 02:26:24,319
about string theory and bubble theory

3762
02:26:29,030 --> 02:26:26,399
that there could be 10 or 11 different

3763
02:26:31,750 --> 02:26:29,040
dimensions along with ours well if

3764
02:26:34,790 --> 02:26:31,760
there's other times and spaces along

3765
02:26:36,950 --> 02:26:34,800
with ours then why is it such a leap

3766
02:26:39,590 --> 02:26:36,960
to think that there could be other

3767
02:26:42,150 --> 02:26:39,600
intelligent beings in those other times

3768
02:26:44,630 --> 02:26:42,160
and spaces that we get glimpses of if

3769
02:26:46,230 --> 02:26:44,640
we're open to them or invited it's not a

3770
02:26:49,990 --> 02:26:46,240
leap

3771
02:26:53,510 --> 02:26:51,190
are you with us

3772
02:26:57,349 --> 02:26:55,030
that's why i'm sharing that's why i'm

3773
02:26:59,110 --> 02:26:57,359
sharing the data because hopefully it'll

3774
02:27:01,349 --> 02:26:59,120
open the door a little bit

3775
02:27:03,270 --> 02:27:01,359
um and i you know i just hope science

3776
02:27:05,110 --> 02:27:03,280
will finally come on board and they're

3777
02:27:07,510 --> 02:27:05,120
starting i mean you know we're still a

3778
02:27:09,910 --> 02:27:07,520
little primitive to our own science but

3779
02:27:11,590 --> 02:27:09,920
um we talked you know earlier about

3780
02:27:14,230 --> 02:27:11,600
other dimensions and it makes it all

3781
02:27:16,150 --> 02:27:14,240
make sense did you see that did you see

3782
02:27:19,190 --> 02:27:16,160
interstellar

3783
02:27:20,389 --> 02:27:19,200
i saw parts of it okay okay

3784
02:27:24,469 --> 02:27:20,399
uh

3785
02:27:26,870 --> 02:27:24,479
you which will be at contact in the

3786
02:27:29,349 --> 02:27:26,880
desert okay i'll make sure i see it yeah

3787
02:27:30,550 --> 02:27:29,359
exactly well i've only done

3788
02:27:32,710 --> 02:27:30,560
the same thing that you've done i've

3789
02:27:34,950 --> 02:27:32,720
seen parts i've seen i've i've

3790
02:27:37,990 --> 02:27:34,960
accumulated it it finally comes out on

3791
02:27:40,150 --> 02:27:38,000
dvd next week i can't wait oh yeah i

3792
02:27:43,110 --> 02:27:40,160
missed it i missed it in the theater yes

3793
02:27:45,990 --> 02:27:43,120
we did we were too busy doing the show

3794
02:27:48,070 --> 02:27:46,000
and it blew past us but i have

3795
02:27:48,870 --> 02:27:48,080
watched a bunch of different sequences

3796
02:27:51,750 --> 02:27:48,880
uh

3797
02:27:54,389 --> 02:27:51,760
and and watched all of the analysis

3798
02:27:55,830 --> 02:27:54,399
uh that i can about it because

3799
02:27:57,190 --> 02:27:55,840
well first off i'm fascinated with the

3800
02:27:59,750 --> 02:27:57,200
subject but

3801
02:28:01,030 --> 02:27:59,760
it's it's it's pretty interesting their

3802
02:28:02,710 --> 02:28:01,040
take on

3803
02:28:05,030 --> 02:28:02,720
on time travel

3804
02:28:06,230 --> 02:28:05,040
and uh i don't want it for anybody that

3805
02:28:08,150 --> 02:28:06,240
hasn't seen the movie i don't want to

3806
02:28:10,830 --> 02:28:08,160
give it away i haven't seen the whole

3807
02:28:12,950 --> 02:28:10,840
movie yet i've seen enough of it

3808
02:28:14,870 --> 02:28:12,960
now i don't know

3809
02:28:17,670 --> 02:28:14,880
i guess i'm going to watch uh i'm going

3810
02:28:19,750 --> 02:28:17,680
to watch the whole thing just because

3811
02:28:21,750 --> 02:28:19,760
but i've watched pieces of it so you and

3812
02:28:23,349 --> 02:28:21,760
i we'll talk about that at uh contact in

3813
02:28:26,309 --> 02:28:23,359
the desert we're up against another

3814
02:28:27,910 --> 02:28:26,319
break when we come back uh we'll uh

3815
02:28:29,670 --> 02:28:27,920
we'll take a quick two minute break when

3816
02:28:30,950 --> 02:28:29,680
we come back uh you want to take a

3817
02:28:31,990 --> 02:28:30,960
couple of phone calls and we'll wrap

3818
02:28:35,030 --> 02:28:32,000
this up

3819
02:28:36,790 --> 02:28:35,040
that sounds good all righty doctor

3820
02:28:39,190 --> 02:28:36,800
ty's with us tonight let's take a quick

3821
02:28:40,550 --> 02:28:39,200
break our last one and then we'll take

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02:28:42,870 --> 02:28:40,560
some phone calls when we come back this

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3864
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3865
02:31:30,469 --> 02:31:27,840
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3866
02:31:32,630 --> 02:31:30,479
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3872
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when i open up the phone lines the first

3873
02:31:48,790 --> 02:31:46,399
caller in is dino dino say hi to dr

3874
02:31:51,670 --> 02:31:48,800
lincoln how are you tonight hi jimmy hi

3875
02:31:53,190 --> 02:31:51,680
doctor lincoln how are you i'm doing

3876
02:31:54,790 --> 02:31:53,200
great how are you doing

3877
02:31:56,790 --> 02:31:54,800
well i'm telling you i'm listening to

3878
02:31:59,429 --> 02:31:56,800
all this i heard you uh when you're on

3879
02:32:01,830 --> 02:31:59,439
the show last year and all i can say is

3880
02:32:03,670 --> 02:32:01,840
i don't know why we have so many mds you

3881
02:32:05,190 --> 02:32:03,680
dr greer that have all these great

3882
02:32:08,790 --> 02:32:05,200
experiences i should have gone to

3883
02:32:13,670 --> 02:32:11,110
that was funny that was good

3884
02:32:16,790 --> 02:32:13,680
but i wanted to ask no i wanted to ask

3885
02:32:18,790 --> 02:32:16,800
though seriously that uh if i had seen i

3886
02:32:19,590 --> 02:32:18,800
wish i had seen something like this and

3887
02:32:21,510 --> 02:32:19,600
you've

3888
02:32:24,550 --> 02:32:21,520
approached it from several angles you

3889
02:32:26,389 --> 02:32:24,560
know uh but uh

3890
02:32:28,309 --> 02:32:26,399
what do you think it was dude that you

3891
02:32:30,469 --> 02:32:28,319
saw it on a couple of nights from what i

3892
02:32:34,150 --> 02:32:30,479
understand do you think it was one

3893
02:32:36,550 --> 02:32:34,160
huge large craft that was not

3894
02:32:38,389 --> 02:32:36,560
from earth or do you think it was

3895
02:32:40,469 --> 02:32:38,399
several i mean everybody seems to have

3896
02:32:42,389 --> 02:32:40,479
seen something different what was their

3897
02:32:44,950 --> 02:32:42,399
cloaking device not working that night

3898
02:32:47,830 --> 02:32:44,960
or what are we meant to see it

3899
02:32:49,990 --> 02:32:47,840
well firstly you know that whatever it

3900
02:32:53,270 --> 02:32:50,000
was okay and i think it was multiple

3901
02:32:55,429 --> 02:32:53,280
things and if you go on the gap page gap

3902
02:32:57,030 --> 02:32:55,439
um i i talked about it earlier and i

3903
02:32:59,110 --> 02:32:57,040
didn't mention the name geospatial

3904
02:33:03,349 --> 02:32:59,120
animation project beautifully

3905
02:33:05,349 --> 02:33:03,359
illustrated uh craft by uh larry lowe um

3906
02:33:07,349 --> 02:33:05,359
it is fascinating because those crafts

3907
02:33:08,630 --> 02:33:07,359
are very different as i mentioned

3908
02:33:11,190 --> 02:33:08,640
whether it was one craft that could

3909
02:33:13,590 --> 02:33:11,200
morph or the perspective from where

3910
02:33:15,429 --> 02:33:13,600
somebody was standing uh or a parade

3911
02:33:16,550 --> 02:33:15,439
which is what the investigators finally

3912
02:33:18,389 --> 02:33:16,560
concluded because there were so many

3913
02:33:19,990 --> 02:33:18,399
things happening at the same time but

3914
02:33:22,630 --> 02:33:20,000
take a look at those crafts because

3915
02:33:24,230 --> 02:33:22,640
we're talking i mean there's one craft

3916
02:33:26,710 --> 02:33:24,240
that really blew me away in fact it's on

3917
02:33:30,630 --> 02:33:26,720
the latest uh edition of the um

3918
02:33:33,590 --> 02:33:30,640
documentary uh phoenix lights top secret

3919
02:33:35,750 --> 02:33:33,600
is exactly what i found video of are you

3920
02:33:39,110 --> 02:33:35,760
ready for this i mean we know the the

3921
02:33:41,429 --> 02:33:39,120
flap in in um the early the late 80s and

3922
02:33:43,349 --> 02:33:41,439
the early 90s in belgium and uk that

3923
02:33:45,830 --> 02:33:43,359
were similar but there was a sighting

3924
02:33:48,710 --> 02:33:45,840
one month before hours one month before

3925
02:33:51,429 --> 02:33:48,720
hours on on february 19th in saint

3926
02:33:53,030 --> 02:33:51,439
petersburg russia and not only did many

3927
02:33:54,309 --> 02:33:53,040
people see it and a few of them took

3928
02:33:55,990 --> 02:33:54,319
video

3929
02:33:57,429 --> 02:33:56,000
but they did the same thing happened

3930
02:33:59,830 --> 02:33:57,439
with the air traffic controllers these

3931
02:34:03,510 --> 02:33:59,840
things were hovering over the tarmac at

3932
02:34:06,309 --> 02:34:03,520
the airport and that one of the videos

3933
02:34:08,070 --> 02:34:06,319
each light was three lights and when i

3934
02:34:11,349 --> 02:34:08,080
saw the final product of of the

3935
02:34:13,590 --> 02:34:11,359
geospatial animation project and the 89

3936
02:34:16,150 --> 02:34:13,600
different crafts that were hovering and

3937
02:34:18,389 --> 02:34:16,160
people saw statewide that blew me away

3938
02:34:19,270 --> 02:34:18,399
because it was exactly like the video

3939
02:34:22,389 --> 02:34:19,280
okay

3940
02:34:24,070 --> 02:34:22,399
so i you know to answer that i i really

3941
02:34:26,630 --> 02:34:24,080
feel at this point number one whoever

3942
02:34:28,150 --> 02:34:26,640
did this wanted to be seen okay

3943
02:34:29,750 --> 02:34:28,160
not only did they want to be seen

3944
02:34:33,349 --> 02:34:29,760
because i mean everybody you know just

3945
02:34:34,790 --> 02:34:33,359
like in 1991 in mexico uh

3946
02:34:36,230 --> 02:34:34,800
thousands of people were looking skyward

3947
02:34:37,910 --> 02:34:36,240
at the eclipse that's why i will tell

3948
02:34:39,830 --> 02:34:37,920
people to keep looking up especially

3949
02:34:43,190 --> 02:34:39,840
when there's something astrologically

3950
02:34:44,950 --> 02:34:43,200
happening because um in 1991 the same

3951
02:34:47,590 --> 02:34:44,960
thing happened people were looking up

3952
02:34:50,389 --> 02:34:47,600
and thousands of people saw ufos all

3953
02:34:52,790 --> 02:34:50,399
over the place um on march 13th the

3954
02:34:55,590 --> 02:34:52,800
hail.com was very clear in the northwest

3955
02:34:57,190 --> 02:34:55,600
sky so if somebody's out there wanting

3956
02:34:58,630 --> 02:34:57,200
to get our attention boy that was a

3957
02:35:01,590 --> 02:34:58,640
perfect night because people were

3958
02:35:03,510 --> 02:35:01,600
outside looking up at the sky um so at

3959
02:35:05,590 --> 02:35:03,520
any rate uh you know take a look at that

3960
02:35:07,750 --> 02:35:05,600
page because there the one craft

3961
02:35:09,590 --> 02:35:07,760
actually split in two and then shot up

3962
02:35:13,750 --> 02:35:09,600
straight in the air i mean just amazing

3963
02:35:18,309 --> 02:35:16,469
the thing that really upsets me and

3964
02:35:20,469 --> 02:35:18,319
really makes me mad when we have an

3965
02:35:23,190 --> 02:35:20,479
opportunity like this whether it's

3966
02:35:25,270 --> 02:35:23,200
rendelsham forest or we're going back to

3967
02:35:27,510 --> 02:35:25,280
roswell or some of the other sightings

3968
02:35:30,230 --> 02:35:27,520
the kids in south africa

3969
02:35:32,070 --> 02:35:30,240
that saw the thing is that the governor

3970
02:35:34,070 --> 02:35:32,080
made a joke about it and then years

3971
02:35:35,830 --> 02:35:34,080
after he got out of office he came and

3972
02:35:38,469 --> 02:35:35,840
said oh no i was with a group of people

3973
02:35:40,870 --> 02:35:38,479
and i saw it too and that just really

3974
02:35:43,110 --> 02:35:40,880
took me because it was an opportunity

3975
02:35:45,670 --> 02:35:43,120
for you know someone who wasn't a whack

3976
02:35:48,150 --> 02:35:45,680
job who was in government to say yeah i

3977
02:35:49,910 --> 02:35:48,160
saw it too and he didn't do it

3978
02:35:51,830 --> 02:35:49,920
well you know at the time i have to say

3979
02:35:54,469 --> 02:35:51,840
and we talked about this there was so

3980
02:35:56,550 --> 02:35:54,479
much ridicule i mean francis barwood

3981
02:35:58,309 --> 02:35:56,560
uh it really was plastered to the wall

3982
02:36:01,190 --> 02:35:58,319
if you see some of the jokes that were

3983
02:36:03,030 --> 02:36:01,200
made about her and the snickering and

3984
02:36:04,630 --> 02:36:03,040
anyone that came forward i was so happy

3985
02:36:06,870 --> 02:36:04,640
that i stayed in honor for seven years

3986
02:36:08,469 --> 02:36:06,880
doing my own homework but not really at

3987
02:36:10,870 --> 02:36:08,479
the time in 97

3988
02:36:12,870 --> 02:36:10,880
not only was there so much ridicule and

3989
02:36:15,110 --> 02:36:12,880
and ostracizing and it's just in the

3990
02:36:16,870 --> 02:36:15,120
past few years that we've really come

3991
02:36:18,309 --> 02:36:16,880
around with all the you know information

3992
02:36:20,309 --> 02:36:18,319
getting out there with the hubble and

3993
02:36:22,309 --> 02:36:20,319
the kepler and that there's other

3994
02:36:23,750 --> 02:36:22,319
earth-like planets i mean little by

3995
02:36:26,309 --> 02:36:23,760
little they're feeding us some

3996
02:36:28,710 --> 02:36:26,319
information to get us ready i think but

3997
02:36:29,670 --> 02:36:28,720
um as far as the phoenix plates go not

3998
02:36:32,150 --> 02:36:29,680
only

3999
02:36:33,670 --> 02:36:32,160
did they want to get our attention okay

4000
02:36:36,230 --> 02:36:33,680
they want to let us know that we're not

4001
02:36:38,309 --> 02:36:36,240
alone and and again i'm going back to

4002
02:36:40,790 --> 02:36:38,319
each individual that was touched at such

4003
02:36:42,389 --> 02:36:40,800
a deep level and changed forever i mean

4004
02:36:44,630 --> 02:36:42,399
there's people that went into the

4005
02:36:46,950 --> 02:36:44,640
environmental movement went into the

4006
02:36:49,270 --> 02:36:46,960
peace movement even changed their eating

4007
02:36:52,630 --> 02:36:49,280
habits some people got one vegetarian i

4008
02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:52,640
mean just a much much more profound

4009
02:36:56,710 --> 02:36:54,800
awareness and

4010
02:36:58,870 --> 02:36:56,720
appreciation of our earth i'm not

4011
02:37:01,670 --> 02:36:58,880
kidding of our planet and that we're not

4012
02:37:03,349 --> 02:37:01,680
alone okay so whoever did this really

4013
02:37:05,270 --> 02:37:03,359
was not only waking us up to our pr

4014
02:37:06,710 --> 02:37:05,280
their presence in a very gentle

4015
02:37:09,670 --> 02:37:06,720
non-threatening way i should mention

4016
02:37:11,830 --> 02:37:09,680
this too in 18 years

4017
02:37:14,230 --> 02:37:11,840
in 18 years there has not been one not

4018
02:37:15,590 --> 02:37:14,240
one report of harm threat or abduction

4019
02:37:17,670 --> 02:37:15,600
associated with the phoenix lake

4020
02:37:19,270 --> 02:37:17,680
phenomena can't speak for other stuff

4021
02:37:21,510 --> 02:37:19,280
but i can speak for the phoenix late

4022
02:37:23,590 --> 02:37:21,520
phenomena and that in itself is really

4023
02:37:25,670 --> 02:37:23,600
telling and what it is

4024
02:37:28,389 --> 02:37:25,680
can i ask excuse me i ask you what what

4025
02:37:30,230 --> 02:37:28,399
is next for this you're you're going to

4026
02:37:32,790 --> 02:37:30,240
contact in the desert you're speaking

4027
02:37:34,150 --> 02:37:32,800
about this a lot you have a website what

4028
02:37:35,830 --> 02:37:34,160
is next where are we going to where are

4029
02:37:38,710 --> 02:37:35,840
you going to go with this and and what

4030
02:37:40,950 --> 02:37:38,720
else okay good question

4031
02:37:41,990 --> 02:37:40,960
thank you for the call dino thank you

4032
02:37:44,070 --> 02:37:42,000
all right

4033
02:37:45,990 --> 02:37:44,080
now first of all now that the the book

4034
02:37:47,429 --> 02:37:46,000
the phoenix lights skeptics discover

4035
02:37:50,230 --> 02:37:47,439
that we are not alone and our

4036
02:37:52,790 --> 02:37:50,240
documentary which is it keeps evolving

4037
02:37:54,150 --> 02:37:52,800
we keep adding things and um you know we

4038
02:37:56,950 --> 02:37:54,160
have incredible people in it and the

4039
02:37:58,790 --> 02:37:56,960
bonus features are just mind-boggling

4040
02:38:01,590 --> 02:37:58,800
there were coincidences i can talk about

4041
02:38:03,990 --> 02:38:01,600
too but now i'm working on a curriculum

4042
02:38:06,389 --> 02:38:04,000
that is my passion is youth education

4043
02:38:08,630 --> 02:38:06,399
and i'm working on an amazing curriculum

4044
02:38:10,070 --> 02:38:08,640
totally groundbreaking there is nothing

4045
02:38:11,670 --> 02:38:10,080
nothing in our classroom and i've been

4046
02:38:13,510 --> 02:38:11,680
wanting to do this for years and the

4047
02:38:15,830 --> 02:38:13,520
last couple years we've actually been

4048
02:38:18,469 --> 02:38:15,840
working on a pilot program it's called

4049
02:38:22,950 --> 02:38:18,479
out of the box the adventures of sue fo

4050
02:38:25,190 --> 02:38:22,960
field observer and hugh h-u-g-h-q-s-o

4051
02:38:27,349 --> 02:38:25,200
and he's a little alien and i have a

4052
02:38:29,110 --> 02:38:27,359
wonderful team that i'm working with um

4053
02:38:32,230 --> 02:38:29,120
kate who's the the teacher in one of the

4054
02:38:35,030 --> 02:38:32,240
schools here with the pilot program um

4055
02:38:37,750 --> 02:38:35,040
mark magus who's uh with disney and he's

4056
02:38:40,070 --> 02:38:37,760
an illustrator and unbelievable uh

4057
02:38:41,590 --> 02:38:40,080
talent that's gotten together a workbook

4058
02:38:44,550 --> 02:38:41,600
it's all based on the phoenix lights

4059
02:38:46,710 --> 02:38:44,560
mass sighting but we go off in

4060
02:38:49,750 --> 02:38:46,720
so many directions with the history crop

4061
02:38:52,950 --> 02:38:49,760
circles the math uh the geometry as well

4062
02:38:53,830 --> 02:38:52,960
as the art um you know talking about the

4063
02:38:55,830 --> 02:38:53,840
uh

4064
02:38:57,590 --> 02:38:55,840
you know what if we can't live on earth

4065
02:38:59,830 --> 02:38:57,600
anymore what would we do and separating

4066
02:39:01,990 --> 02:38:59,840
the class into uh

4067
02:39:04,469 --> 02:39:02,000
two with space station and underwater

4068
02:39:07,910 --> 02:39:04,479
station and um not only learning the

4069
02:39:10,389 --> 02:39:07,920
science but also delegating uh authority

4070
02:39:12,870 --> 02:39:10,399
and and uh being able to cooperate with

4071
02:39:14,230 --> 02:39:12,880
each other um and also asking questions

4072
02:39:16,230 --> 02:39:14,240
critical thinking what if we're not

4073
02:39:18,469 --> 02:39:16,240
alone how would that change our world

4074
02:39:20,790 --> 02:39:18,479
and what would we tell them about us and

4075
02:39:22,870 --> 02:39:20,800
really get kids thinking and they thirst

4076
02:39:24,469 --> 02:39:22,880
for this knowledge in fact jimmy that

4077
02:39:25,990 --> 02:39:24,479
this is what

4078
02:39:27,349 --> 02:39:26,000
prompted me to do the documentary

4079
02:39:29,510 --> 02:39:27,359
because i was working at the arizona

4080
02:39:31,349 --> 02:39:29,520
heart institute like seven to seven and

4081
02:39:32,950 --> 02:39:31,359
doing programs like this into the night

4082
02:39:34,630 --> 02:39:32,960
and doing barnes and noble and border

4083
02:39:37,270 --> 02:39:34,640
tours when i came out with the book in

4084
02:39:39,429 --> 02:39:37,280
2004 and i was approached by filmmakers

4085
02:39:41,830 --> 02:39:39,439
and as much as i wanted to do a film and

4086
02:39:43,030 --> 02:39:41,840
really show people and have the happy

4087
02:39:45,190 --> 02:39:43,040
witnesses

4088
02:39:47,510 --> 02:39:45,200
tell their own stories and and share

4089
02:39:50,230 --> 02:39:47,520
their own experiences i didn't have time

4090
02:39:51,190 --> 02:39:50,240
and one of the the filmmakers um steve

4091
02:39:53,429 --> 02:39:51,200
lance

4092
02:39:55,670 --> 02:39:53,439
really talented guy young guy who was

4093
02:39:58,309 --> 02:39:55,680
very knowledgeable about the subject dad

4094
02:40:01,349 --> 02:39:58,319
lives here he's a physician as well and

4095
02:40:02,950 --> 02:40:01,359
in may he came and said uh you know i'm

4096
02:40:04,710 --> 02:40:02,960
coming in june and we're starting to

4097
02:40:06,469 --> 02:40:04,720
film i said whoa i said first of all i

4098
02:40:08,630 --> 02:40:06,479
stayed anonymous for seven years i don't

4099
02:40:10,870 --> 02:40:08,640
know if other people will do this i mean

4100
02:40:12,550 --> 02:40:10,880
it was very controversial at the time

4101
02:40:14,550 --> 02:40:12,560
and i said you know first of all i have

4102
02:40:16,230 --> 02:40:14,560
to get in touch and see if anybody will

4103
02:40:18,710 --> 02:40:16,240
do especially professors they could lose

4104
02:40:20,389 --> 02:40:18,720
their grants and i went every single

4105
02:40:24,309 --> 02:40:20,399
person i went to

4106
02:40:26,550 --> 02:40:24,319
and except one who came on later um

4107
02:40:28,309 --> 02:40:26,560
wholeheartedly said they would do it and

4108
02:40:30,710 --> 02:40:28,319
i thought well that's a little bit of a

4109
02:40:32,870 --> 02:40:30,720
sign and then some parents that had seen

4110
02:40:35,110 --> 02:40:32,880
me at barnes noble invited me to their

4111
02:40:36,710 --> 02:40:35,120
school of middle school here which i was

4112
02:40:39,510 --> 02:40:36,720
blown away that they would even let me

4113
02:40:41,590 --> 02:40:39,520
in the door talking about the subject

4114
02:40:44,070 --> 02:40:41,600
and i have to tell you i walked in there

4115
02:40:45,670 --> 02:40:44,080
were 200 middle school students and

4116
02:40:48,630 --> 02:40:45,680
parents and teachers

4117
02:40:50,469 --> 02:40:48,640
you could hear a pin drop they were on

4118
02:40:52,550 --> 02:40:50,479
the edge of their chairs they couldn't

4119
02:40:54,150 --> 02:40:52,560
get enough and i and i asked that i

4120
02:40:56,870 --> 02:40:54,160
asked them i said does anybody believe

4121
02:40:57,910 --> 02:40:56,880
we're alone in the universe not one hand

4122
02:40:59,349 --> 02:40:57,920
went up

4123
02:41:01,270 --> 02:40:59,359
i said does anybody believe that we're

4124
02:41:03,349 --> 02:41:01,280
not alone in the universe every hand

4125
02:41:05,349 --> 02:41:03,359
went up right they want to know about

4126
02:41:07,190 --> 02:41:05,359
this stuff they thirst for this

4127
02:41:09,190 --> 02:41:07,200
knowledge and it was the first time also

4128
02:41:11,830 --> 02:41:09,200
jimmy that i realized that there is

4129
02:41:14,389 --> 02:41:11,840
nothing and i mean zip nothing in our

4130
02:41:16,230 --> 02:41:14,399
history books about this topic so i've

4131
02:41:19,750 --> 02:41:16,240
been wanting to do this we are well

4132
02:41:21,590 --> 02:41:19,760
underway um very very excited stay tuned

4133
02:41:24,550 --> 02:41:21,600
um hopefully by the end of the summer

4134
02:41:27,030 --> 02:41:24,560
we'll be able to uh to present it out

4135
02:41:28,469 --> 02:41:27,040
there and uh i'll keep you posted but

4136
02:41:31,990 --> 02:41:28,479
it's it's really going to be something

4137
02:41:34,150 --> 02:41:32,000
and and it's it's it's time it's time i

4138
02:41:37,670 --> 02:41:34,160
wanted to ask you and i don't think i

4139
02:41:39,910 --> 02:41:37,680
ever have do you know about the

4140
02:41:40,710 --> 02:41:39,920
1948

4141
02:41:42,790 --> 02:41:40,720
uh

4142
02:41:45,349 --> 02:41:42,800
recovery crash and recovery of the

4143
02:41:49,030 --> 02:41:45,359
saucer right there in cave creek right

4144
02:41:50,389 --> 02:41:49,040
behind your house yeah yes i do i do i

4145
02:41:51,190 --> 02:41:50,399
do

4146
02:41:53,429 --> 02:41:51,200
you know

4147
02:41:55,270 --> 02:41:53,439
nobody talks about that case when i had

4148
02:41:58,710 --> 02:41:55,280
first read about it

4149
02:42:01,190 --> 02:41:58,720
uh i think it was maybe above top secret

4150
02:42:02,710 --> 02:42:01,200
timothy good's book it i i'd read about

4151
02:42:04,870 --> 02:42:02,720
it back in the 90s

4152
02:42:07,030 --> 02:42:04,880
and as you know i you know i used to go

4153
02:42:08,790 --> 02:42:07,040
out to phoenix uh at least every two

4154
02:42:10,150 --> 02:42:08,800
weeks and i did that for years on

4155
02:42:15,110 --> 02:42:10,160
business

4156
02:42:18,710 --> 02:42:15,120
but one of my friends

4157
02:42:20,790 --> 02:42:18,720
lived right there at 38th uh place and

4158
02:42:22,150 --> 02:42:20,800
lincoln road on the side of camelback

4159
02:42:23,510 --> 02:42:22,160
mountain you know that very nice

4160
02:42:24,710 --> 02:42:23,520
neighborhood i think that's kind of

4161
02:42:27,349 --> 02:42:24,720
where you live

4162
02:42:29,910 --> 02:42:27,359
and uh and lived right there and i bring

4163
02:42:31,510 --> 02:42:29,920
the book with me and this guy's a famous

4164
02:42:33,750 --> 02:42:31,520
rock star you know i don't want to get

4165
02:42:36,630 --> 02:42:33,760
into that but i i asked him i said look

4166
02:42:38,790 --> 02:42:36,640
man do you know where this is and i said

4167
02:42:40,790 --> 02:42:38,800
it's paradise valley you know uh well

4168
02:42:42,870 --> 02:42:40,800
we're here this is paradise i said okay

4169
02:42:44,710 --> 02:42:42,880
well you know cave creek yeah i know

4170
02:42:46,790 --> 02:42:44,720
where that is and we're looking at it in

4171
02:42:49,750 --> 02:42:46,800
the book and he reads and he's like no

4172
02:42:51,990 --> 02:42:49,760
way really that's right over here so we

4173
02:42:54,230 --> 02:42:52,000
go and we jump in the car and we drive

4174
02:42:55,910 --> 02:42:54,240
up you know whatever scottsdale road or

4175
02:42:58,309 --> 02:42:55,920
whatever and head up into paradise

4176
02:43:01,349 --> 02:42:58,319
valley you know you know the area and we

4177
02:43:02,710 --> 02:43:01,359
drive right to where this was and it's

4178
02:43:04,550 --> 02:43:02,720
now

4179
02:43:07,270 --> 02:43:04,560
like a shopping center

4180
02:43:09,910 --> 02:43:07,280
right it's like totally paved over

4181
02:43:11,990 --> 02:43:09,920
and they talk about it in the book um

4182
02:43:13,670 --> 02:43:12,000
again you you just you remember the

4183
02:43:17,670 --> 02:43:13,680
details because i i

4184
02:43:20,550 --> 02:43:17,680
well um the the saucer crashed um now

4185
02:43:22,230 --> 02:43:20,560
this is this is from my brain okay i

4186
02:43:24,389 --> 02:43:22,240
should almost actually pull it up and

4187
02:43:27,990 --> 02:43:24,399
and and check it out but this this is

4188
02:43:29,429 --> 02:43:28,000
what what i recall the saucer crashed

4189
02:43:31,750 --> 02:43:29,439
back then

4190
02:43:34,710 --> 02:43:31,760
it was just desert out there you know

4191
02:43:36,790 --> 02:43:34,720
maybe one main road uh but the saucer

4192
02:43:39,030 --> 02:43:36,800
crashed it was retrieved the air force

4193
02:43:41,910 --> 02:43:39,040
went out blocked everything off uh there

4194
02:43:45,030 --> 02:43:41,920
were plenty of witnesses and i think the

4195
02:43:45,910 --> 02:43:45,040
it was on you know uh private property

4196
02:43:48,710 --> 02:43:45,920
um

4197
02:43:50,710 --> 02:43:48,720
but uh air force goes out retrieves it

4198
02:43:54,150 --> 02:43:50,720
uh there was some photography that was

4199
02:43:56,710 --> 02:43:54,160
not done there was witnesses uh thrown

4200
02:43:58,710 --> 02:43:56,720
on a flatbed and removed and then

4201
02:44:01,510 --> 02:43:58,720
uh a few weeks later

4202
02:44:03,190 --> 02:44:01,520
they like annex the land right they take

4203
02:44:04,550 --> 02:44:03,200
the land and then they go in with

4204
02:44:07,590 --> 02:44:04,560
bulldozers

4205
02:44:11,030 --> 02:44:07,600
and and and take all the dirt out

4206
02:44:13,510 --> 02:44:11,040
replace the dirt and then paved over the

4207
02:44:16,230 --> 02:44:13,520
entire area it was acreage

4208
02:44:20,150 --> 02:44:16,240
and and paved over it and that was 1948

4209
02:44:22,630 --> 02:44:20,160
it was right after uh roswell right and

4210
02:44:24,550 --> 02:44:22,640
it's one of those cases that just isn't

4211
02:44:26,710 --> 02:44:24,560
talked about if you go

4212
02:44:28,710 --> 02:44:26,720
all of you guys right now and twitter

4213
02:44:31,269 --> 02:44:28,720
and that are listening to the show all

4214
02:44:34,230 --> 02:44:31,279
you have to do it again this is my brain

4215
02:44:37,830 --> 02:44:34,240
but i think we're good on this 1948

4216
02:44:40,230 --> 02:44:37,840
paradise valley arizona ufo and

4217
02:44:41,990 --> 02:44:40,240
cave creek yeah cave creek

4218
02:44:44,150 --> 02:44:42,000
yeah it was right

4219
02:44:45,990 --> 02:44:44,160
they've been you know it's not it's it's

4220
02:44:47,269 --> 02:44:46,000
not an arizona thing people say why in

4221
02:44:49,269 --> 02:44:47,279
arizona it's happening worldwide of

4222
02:44:51,670 --> 02:44:49,279
course but there are so many stories

4223
02:44:53,750 --> 02:44:51,680
here um that's why the navajo rangers

4224
02:44:55,349 --> 02:44:53,760
are actually you know studying these

4225
02:44:56,710 --> 02:44:55,359
things and investigating there is so

4226
02:44:59,030 --> 02:44:56,720
much going on

4227
02:45:01,349 --> 02:44:59,040
throughout arizona okay that i'm hearing

4228
02:45:03,110 --> 02:45:01,359
about constantly over the superstition

4229
02:45:06,389 --> 02:45:03,120
mountains they're seeing these

4230
02:45:09,110 --> 02:45:06,399
rod-shaped uh craft that have either

4231
02:45:10,550 --> 02:45:09,120
orbs or uh other little craft coming out

4232
02:45:12,870 --> 02:45:10,560
of them as they are seeing them in the

4233
02:45:14,870 --> 02:45:12,880
navajo nation as well in fact if you go

4234
02:45:17,190 --> 02:45:14,880
to the photo page uh on the phoenix

4235
02:45:18,870 --> 02:45:17,200
lights network website and you go down

4236
02:45:21,510 --> 02:45:18,880
to the bottom there's two sunset

4237
02:45:23,429 --> 02:45:21,520
pictures and i i collect sunsets as i

4238
02:45:26,389 --> 02:45:23,439
mentioned earlier and

4239
02:45:28,070 --> 02:45:26,399
i took like five rolls of film in 2000

4240
02:45:29,590 --> 02:45:28,080
and when i got them back after the

4241
02:45:32,070 --> 02:45:29,600
holidays i started looking through the

4242
02:45:34,469 --> 02:45:32,080
pictures and i noticed in two on two

4243
02:45:35,830 --> 02:45:34,479
separate rolls one a month apart

4244
02:45:38,950 --> 02:45:35,840
there is

4245
02:45:40,230 --> 02:45:38,960
shaped thing like a cigar giant

4246
02:45:41,349 --> 02:45:40,240
cigar-shaped thing it's all been

4247
02:45:44,309 --> 02:45:41,359
analyzed

4248
02:45:46,150 --> 02:45:44,319
in the same exact spot in those pictures

4249
02:45:48,469 --> 02:45:46,160
i did not see when i was looking at the

4250
02:45:50,710 --> 02:45:48,479
sky at the sunset but they're and one of

4251
02:45:52,950 --> 02:45:50,720
them is a gorgeous sunset um i think i

4252
02:45:55,990 --> 02:45:52,960
have it on my phoenix network facebook

4253
02:45:58,150 --> 02:45:56,000
page but it's there it's there in the

4254
02:46:00,230 --> 02:45:58,160
negative that's a 35 millimeter is

4255
02:46:03,349 --> 02:46:00,240
golden i have to tell people out there

4256
02:46:04,710 --> 02:46:03,359
you know forget the digital because

4257
02:46:06,790 --> 02:46:04,720
well when you start i mean not don't

4258
02:46:08,870 --> 02:46:06,800
forget it but when you start to analyze

4259
02:46:10,710 --> 02:46:08,880
the pixels break up the 35 millimeter

4260
02:46:12,230 --> 02:46:10,720
when it's in the negative it cannot be

4261
02:46:15,110 --> 02:46:12,240
denied and cannot be fudged and it

4262
02:46:17,269 --> 02:46:15,120
cannot be faked and it's there okay um

4263
02:46:19,830 --> 02:46:17,279
but at any rate uh these these

4264
02:46:20,630 --> 02:46:19,840
rod-shaped scar-shaped you know craft or

4265
02:46:25,030 --> 02:46:20,640
are

4266
02:46:26,870 --> 02:46:25,040
happening you know throughout arizona to

4267
02:46:27,990 --> 02:46:26,880
this day and that's why you know even

4268
02:46:29,349 --> 02:46:28,000
the australians were named the

4269
02:46:32,550 --> 02:46:29,359
australians because they were seeing

4270
02:46:34,469 --> 02:46:32,560
these same phenomena centuries ago so

4271
02:46:36,630 --> 02:46:34,479
yeah i i hear you that's very

4272
02:46:39,990 --> 02:46:36,640
interesting by the way

4273
02:46:41,590 --> 02:46:40,000
a very very popular i will i can say his

4274
02:46:43,349 --> 02:46:41,600
name because i did his radio program and

4275
02:46:44,550 --> 02:46:43,359
he admitted it alice cooper i don't know

4276
02:46:46,230 --> 02:46:44,560
if that's the same one you're talking

4277
02:46:48,550 --> 02:46:46,240
about no way

4278
02:46:50,870 --> 02:46:48,560
alice is his neighbor though my friend

4279
02:46:53,670 --> 02:46:50,880
okay yeah everybody

4280
02:46:55,429 --> 02:46:53,680
it's funny stevie nicks alice cooper and

4281
02:46:57,670 --> 02:46:55,439
the guy that i'm talking about right now

4282
02:46:59,590 --> 02:46:57,680
they all live right there right right

4283
02:47:02,150 --> 02:46:59,600
right they're like in the arcata area or

4284
02:47:03,590 --> 02:47:02,160
whatever but anyway alice cooper didn't

4285
02:47:05,590 --> 02:47:03,600
see this being excited he came up to me

4286
02:47:08,469 --> 02:47:05,600
at one of our anniversary showings of

4287
02:47:09,830 --> 02:47:08,479
disgusting arkansas and um you know

4288
02:47:11,429 --> 02:47:09,840
asked me to come on his radio program

4289
02:47:13,830 --> 02:47:11,439
and stuff and he saw it i mean he

4290
02:47:15,590 --> 02:47:13,840
actually saw it um so there's many

4291
02:47:17,349 --> 02:47:15,600
people out there that see things i'm

4292
02:47:19,910 --> 02:47:17,359
sure that are afraid to talk about it

4293
02:47:21,910 --> 02:47:19,920
and uh you know the more we talk about

4294
02:47:23,750 --> 02:47:21,920
it and the more we get it out there um

4295
02:47:25,910 --> 02:47:23,760
the easier it is to talk about it and i

4296
02:47:29,349 --> 02:47:25,920
hope more and more people come forward

4297
02:47:31,670 --> 02:47:29,359
and share uh because it really

4298
02:47:33,590 --> 02:47:31,680
makes it more real for everybody and and

4299
02:47:36,309 --> 02:47:33,600
social media by the way has been

4300
02:47:38,870 --> 02:47:36,319
incredible hasn't it no it's it's it's

4301
02:47:39,590 --> 02:47:38,880
phenomenal um it really has you know

4302
02:47:41,349 --> 02:47:39,600
though

4303
02:47:43,670 --> 02:47:41,359
there's one comment i did want to make

4304
02:47:46,389 --> 02:47:43,680
though there's something strange i used

4305
02:47:47,990 --> 02:47:46,399
to drive between phoenix and tucson

4306
02:47:50,469 --> 02:47:48,000
uh when i was in phoenix and you know i

4307
02:47:52,150 --> 02:47:50,479
had business in tucson so i'd always

4308
02:47:54,230 --> 02:47:52,160
i'd drive to tucson during the day and i

4309
02:47:56,389 --> 02:47:54,240
drive back at night nine nine ten

4310
02:47:59,910 --> 02:47:56,399
o'clock at night back to phoenix

4311
02:48:01,269 --> 02:47:59,920
and that drive it's only an hour drive

4312
02:48:03,750 --> 02:48:01,279
but you're out in the middle of the

4313
02:48:06,070 --> 02:48:03,760
desert and i'm serious

4314
02:48:07,830 --> 02:48:06,080
i i never like took notes or anything

4315
02:48:10,150 --> 02:48:07,840
but there wasn't a night that i didn't

4316
02:48:12,630 --> 02:48:10,160
drive back that something strange i

4317
02:48:14,630 --> 02:48:12,640
didn't see something you know uh there

4318
02:48:17,590 --> 02:48:14,640
was something phenomenal and there was

4319
02:48:20,309 --> 02:48:17,600
always something every single night what

4320
02:48:21,590 --> 02:48:20,319
is it like joshua tree

4321
02:48:24,150 --> 02:48:21,600
and phoenix you know there's

4322
02:48:26,230 --> 02:48:24,160
similarities there that those desert

4323
02:48:27,590 --> 02:48:26,240
spots are magical places how do you

4324
02:48:29,190 --> 02:48:27,600
explain that

4325
02:48:30,870 --> 02:48:29,200
you can tell you can tell when you're in

4326
02:48:32,870 --> 02:48:30,880
phoenix you can tell there's something

4327
02:48:35,429 --> 02:48:32,880
going on well not only phase but have

4328
02:48:38,550 --> 02:48:35,439
you been to sedona oh yeah same thing

4329
02:48:40,950 --> 02:48:38,560
flagstaff flag stuff forget about it

4330
02:48:42,950 --> 02:48:40,960
yeah i mean the the if anybody you know

4331
02:48:44,389 --> 02:48:42,960
has a chance to go to sedona talk about

4332
02:48:46,710 --> 02:48:44,399
magical i mean

4333
02:48:48,309 --> 02:48:46,720
besides the mountains being red

4334
02:48:50,309 --> 02:48:48,319
and and it's just the most gorgeous

4335
02:48:52,550 --> 02:48:50,319
place you've ever seen it's very unusual

4336
02:48:55,030 --> 02:48:52,560
um you know they talk about the vortexes

4337
02:48:57,510 --> 02:48:55,040
and and so forth up there um they see

4338
02:49:00,710 --> 02:48:57,520
things up there all the time uh and even

4339
02:49:02,309 --> 02:49:00,720
here uh you know what's what's

4340
02:49:04,150 --> 02:49:02,319
you know getting on the scientific end

4341
02:49:05,830 --> 02:49:04,160
of it you know talking about the the

4342
02:49:07,349 --> 02:49:05,840
energies that are that are here

4343
02:49:09,830 --> 02:49:07,359
particularly around

4344
02:49:13,110 --> 02:49:09,840
uh the valley with the in the mountains

4345
02:49:15,830 --> 02:49:13,120
um the different electromagnetic uh

4346
02:49:17,910 --> 02:49:15,840
properties that the mountains have um

4347
02:49:20,389 --> 02:49:17,920
maybe you know something that attracts

4348
02:49:22,469 --> 02:49:20,399
these phenomena that has definitely been

4349
02:49:24,550 --> 02:49:22,479
talked about here so you know it just

4350
02:49:26,790 --> 02:49:24,560
needs further study and maybe one day

4351
02:49:29,349 --> 02:49:26,800
we'll find out so what is your workshop

4352
02:49:31,590 --> 02:49:29,359
going to be about uh no let's do your

4353
02:49:33,030 --> 02:49:31,600
talk first before we wrap up your

4354
02:49:34,950 --> 02:49:33,040
presentation is going to be on the

4355
02:49:36,950 --> 02:49:34,960
phoenix light uh

4356
02:49:40,150 --> 02:49:36,960
it'll actually be how the story unfolded

4357
02:49:41,910 --> 02:49:40,160
through the media um and again you know

4358
02:49:44,550 --> 02:49:41,920
what i'm going to be showing people

4359
02:49:46,630 --> 02:49:44,560
isn't out there uh anymore um you know i

4360
02:49:49,190 --> 02:49:46,640
took it right off the tv and and in

4361
02:49:51,349 --> 02:49:49,200
those days they didn't keep copies and

4362
02:49:53,830 --> 02:49:51,359
um so it's fascinating to see how the

4363
02:49:56,150 --> 02:49:53,840
media uh the media take on this and i

4364
02:49:59,030 --> 02:49:56,160
have to tell you too number one

4365
02:50:00,630 --> 02:49:59,040
um when i came forward in 2004

4366
02:50:03,830 --> 02:50:00,640
many of the people that i had worked

4367
02:50:05,510 --> 02:50:03,840
with in the early 80s at nbc here um

4368
02:50:07,750 --> 02:50:05,520
we're now the head of

4369
02:50:10,630 --> 02:50:07,760
news that you know the news director at

4370
02:50:13,429 --> 02:50:10,640
fox and the head of production at cbs

4371
02:50:16,070 --> 02:50:13,439
and you know at abc and um when they

4372
02:50:18,870 --> 02:50:16,080
learned that i was dr x it was like your

4373
02:50:21,110 --> 02:50:18,880
dr x will come on over and you know they

4374
02:50:23,110 --> 02:50:21,120
knew i would not come forward number one

4375
02:50:24,790 --> 02:50:23,120
if i didn't do my homework and number

4376
02:50:28,230 --> 02:50:24,800
two if i didn't think it was important

4377
02:50:30,469 --> 02:50:28,240
to share and may have been so incredible

4378
02:50:32,630 --> 02:50:30,479
i mean it really is a model and talk

4379
02:50:35,670 --> 02:50:32,640
about a positive transformation

4380
02:50:38,150 --> 02:50:35,680
here in arizona it is a model for what

4381
02:50:40,389 --> 02:50:38,160
should happen everywhere i mean they

4382
02:50:42,150 --> 02:50:40,399
take these reports seriously and some of

4383
02:50:43,830 --> 02:50:42,160
them can be explained i mean some

4384
02:50:45,269 --> 02:50:43,840
sometimes people are saying blunts and

4385
02:50:47,349 --> 02:50:45,279
sometimes people are seeing weather

4386
02:50:50,070 --> 02:50:47,359
balloons and sometimes people are seeing

4387
02:50:51,750 --> 02:50:50,080
flares but they're taking them seriously

4388
02:50:54,550 --> 02:50:51,760
there's no more snickering there's no

4389
02:50:57,910 --> 02:50:54,560
more laughing there's no more joking

4390
02:51:00,230 --> 02:50:57,920
it's a serious subject that they really

4391
02:51:02,870 --> 02:51:00,240
really embrace and and boy do they do

4392
02:51:04,150 --> 02:51:02,880
publicity around the uh the anniversary

4393
02:51:05,830 --> 02:51:04,160
i mean they really help with the

4394
02:51:08,790 --> 02:51:05,840
sell-out crowd because when people know

4395
02:51:10,790 --> 02:51:08,800
about it they come and uh you know i'm i

4396
02:51:12,710 --> 02:51:10,800
am forever grateful and it's really

4397
02:51:14,790 --> 02:51:12,720
something we'll talk about as far as

4398
02:51:16,790 --> 02:51:14,800
showing what they what they showed and

4399
02:51:17,590 --> 02:51:16,800
also there was one

4400
02:51:20,870 --> 02:51:17,600
uh

4401
02:51:23,190 --> 02:51:20,880
journalist here who actually saw it it

4402
02:51:24,870 --> 02:51:23,200
went right over him and he wanted to get

4403
02:51:27,429 --> 02:51:24,880
to the bottom of it and he did some

4404
02:51:29,510 --> 02:51:27,439
incredible reports that i'll also be

4405
02:51:32,389 --> 02:51:29,520
showing and also show how the national

4406
02:51:33,990 --> 02:51:32,399
and international media uh take on this

4407
02:51:36,150 --> 02:51:34,000
because it's just very interesting how

4408
02:51:38,790 --> 02:51:36,160
the story unfolded through the media to

4409
02:51:41,269 --> 02:51:38,800
this day and my workshop is going to get

4410
02:51:42,950 --> 02:51:41,279
more into how these phenomena

4411
02:51:45,990 --> 02:51:42,960
particularly the phoenix place and other

4412
02:51:48,710 --> 02:51:46,000
unexplained phenomena that are similar

4413
02:51:51,269 --> 02:51:48,720
affect people at a very very deep level

4414
02:51:53,510 --> 02:51:51,279
and we're going to get more into uh what

4415
02:51:55,910 --> 02:51:53,520
an up is the similarity between

4416
02:51:57,429 --> 02:51:55,920
unexplained phenomena the connection uh

4417
02:51:59,110 --> 02:51:57,439
between your death experience out of

4418
02:52:00,710 --> 02:51:59,120
body experience unexplained aerial

4419
02:52:03,110 --> 02:52:00,720
phenomena that have mystical light

4420
02:52:05,670 --> 02:52:03,120
associated with the experience as well

4421
02:52:07,349 --> 02:52:05,680
as the after effect and also

4422
02:52:09,830 --> 02:52:07,359
how you can connect with these other

4423
02:52:12,630 --> 02:52:09,840
beings with these other worldly beings

4424
02:52:14,230 --> 02:52:12,640
there is a formula and i certainly have

4425
02:52:16,469 --> 02:52:14,240
learned what that is and i want to share

4426
02:52:18,790 --> 02:52:16,479
it with uh with my workshop so i know

4427
02:52:21,590 --> 02:52:18,800
people will will come and visit and

4428
02:52:23,190 --> 02:52:21,600
learn not trying to convince anybody um

4429
02:52:25,269 --> 02:52:23,200
just sharing the data and people can

4430
02:52:27,190 --> 02:52:25,279
decide for themselves that's what's so

4431
02:52:31,110 --> 02:52:27,200
great about contact in the desert isn't

4432
02:52:33,030 --> 02:52:31,120
it it's everybody there is just uh

4433
02:52:35,349 --> 02:52:33,040
there to learn

4434
02:52:37,590 --> 02:52:35,359
and it was just phenomenal last year

4435
02:52:39,510 --> 02:52:37,600
just to walk around and

4436
02:52:41,750 --> 02:52:39,520
uh you know you have thousands of people

4437
02:52:44,230 --> 02:52:41,760
that are just um

4438
02:52:47,030 --> 02:52:44,240
so focused and so open

4439
02:52:49,429 --> 02:52:47,040
and one of the things about you uh last

4440
02:52:51,910 --> 02:52:49,439
year at contact when i went up

4441
02:52:53,110 --> 02:52:51,920
uh you're right there man you're you're

4442
02:52:55,510 --> 02:52:53,120
right there

4443
02:52:58,230 --> 02:52:55,520
anybody can come up and talk to you and

4444
02:53:00,870 --> 02:52:58,240
and you're hanging out all day long

4445
02:53:03,269 --> 02:53:00,880
and uh and it's just a great experience

4446
02:53:04,950 --> 02:53:03,279
to uh to see you handle it like that i

4447
02:53:06,870 --> 02:53:04,960
thought that was awesome

4448
02:53:10,630 --> 02:53:06,880
well i really appreciate that but that's

4449
02:53:14,550 --> 02:53:12,389
i'm just going with the flow and i love

4450
02:53:16,309 --> 02:53:14,560
meeting the people i really do and i i

4451
02:53:17,670 --> 02:53:16,319
so appreciate when people actually look

4452
02:53:19,590 --> 02:53:17,680
at the data

4453
02:53:21,269 --> 02:53:19,600
because then you know if i can be a

4454
02:53:24,630 --> 02:53:21,279
credible voice so people actually look

4455
02:53:26,630 --> 02:53:24,640
at it um and and can gain some knowledge

4456
02:53:28,710 --> 02:53:26,640
and and grow from it then i've done my

4457
02:53:31,349 --> 02:53:28,720
job and and i love when people do come

4458
02:53:33,269 --> 02:53:31,359
up to me and i'll have a table there my

4459
02:53:36,150 --> 02:53:33,279
vendor table or whatever it is outside

4460
02:53:40,309 --> 02:53:36,160
by the big uh by the big uh

4461
02:53:44,550 --> 02:53:42,950
um you know please people take me out i

4462
02:53:47,990 --> 02:53:44,560
love to talk to people i love to hear

4463
02:53:50,309 --> 02:53:48,000
stories um you know it's really that's

4464
02:53:51,790 --> 02:53:50,319
part of this whole thing is really being

4465
02:53:54,710 --> 02:53:51,800
open and

4466
02:53:56,870 --> 02:53:54,720
non-judgmental um and and just being

4467
02:53:59,110 --> 02:53:56,880
honest and and letting the data out

4468
02:54:00,790 --> 02:53:59,120
there and the information out there um

4469
02:54:02,309 --> 02:54:00,800
because when people know that there's

4470
02:54:04,469 --> 02:54:02,319
other people that have experienced the

4471
02:54:06,230 --> 02:54:04,479
same thing they have it makes it so much

4472
02:54:08,710 --> 02:54:06,240
easier for them and it's and it is

4473
02:54:10,790 --> 02:54:08,720
healing it is healing it's cathartic and

4474
02:54:13,110 --> 02:54:10,800
it's important and i'm so glad that i

4475
02:54:15,590 --> 02:54:13,120
can be there um to not only share the

4476
02:54:17,349 --> 02:54:15,600
data but also be there you know as a

4477
02:54:19,590 --> 02:54:17,359
voice for this to get it out in the open

4478
02:54:21,510 --> 02:54:19,600
in a credible way and to to be there for

4479
02:54:23,910 --> 02:54:21,520
people who want to share so i hope they

4480
02:54:25,990 --> 02:54:23,920
will thank you so much lynn it's great

4481
02:54:27,670 --> 02:54:26,000
to have you on with us again and uh

4482
02:54:29,990 --> 02:54:27,680
you'll be on with this

4483
02:54:31,110 --> 02:54:30,000
uh may 29th we'll get you back on with

4484
02:54:32,870 --> 02:54:31,120
us

4485
02:54:35,590 --> 02:54:32,880
we'll be broadcasting you know the big

4486
02:54:37,830 --> 02:54:35,600
dome right in front uh we're

4487
02:54:39,830 --> 02:54:37,840
broadcasting uh from the nexus room

4488
02:54:41,510 --> 02:54:39,840
right behind it you you remember that

4489
02:54:43,510 --> 02:54:41,520
spot so that's where yes that'll be

4490
02:54:45,110 --> 02:54:43,520
excellent excellent and thank you thank

4491
02:54:47,670 --> 02:54:45,120
you jimmy for doing what you're doing

4492
02:54:50,070 --> 02:54:47,680
because you are a voice too a big voice

4493
02:54:52,630 --> 02:54:50,080
that gets this information out there and

4494
02:54:54,790 --> 02:54:52,640
that's how people learn and grow so um

4495
02:54:57,110 --> 02:54:54,800
and what it's all about so thank you for

4496
02:54:58,710 --> 02:54:57,120
having me and getting the phoenix flight

4497
02:54:59,429 --> 02:54:58,720
information out there and keep looking

4498
02:55:01,269 --> 02:54:59,439
up

4499
02:55:04,469 --> 02:55:01,279
thank you so much lynn

4500
02:55:07,349 --> 02:55:04,479
talk to you soon you got it lincoltai

4501
02:55:09,590 --> 02:55:07,359
everybody thank you so much lynn what a

4502
02:55:11,750 --> 02:55:09,600
great show tonight

4503
02:55:13,990 --> 02:55:11,760
uh the the

4504
02:55:15,910 --> 02:55:14,000
there was some comments

4505
02:55:16,790 --> 02:55:15,920
about the the near-death experience

4506
02:55:19,269 --> 02:55:16,800
stuff

4507
02:55:21,269 --> 02:55:19,279
and isn't it strange don't you find it

4508
02:55:23,510 --> 02:55:21,279
strange that with all of the guests over

4509
02:55:25,510 --> 02:55:23,520
the last year and a half it's going on

4510
02:55:26,389 --> 02:55:25,520
two years now for this show

4511
02:55:30,070 --> 02:55:26,399
uh

4512
02:55:32,230 --> 02:55:30,080
the connection of everything

4513
02:55:33,990 --> 02:55:32,240
i have i've i've said it so much when

4514
02:55:34,950 --> 02:55:34,000
you think about it

4515
02:55:37,510 --> 02:55:34,960
uh

4516
02:55:39,590 --> 02:55:37,520
anything that is discussed in the

4517
02:55:42,150 --> 02:55:39,600
paranormal whether it's ghosts or

4518
02:55:44,790 --> 02:55:42,160
spirits or e.t

4519
02:55:46,550 --> 02:55:44,800
uh when when we look at all of those

4520
02:55:49,110 --> 02:55:46,560
different things

4521
02:55:50,950 --> 02:55:49,120
that isn't it isn't it strange how they

4522
02:55:54,710 --> 02:55:50,960
could all be connected

4523
02:55:57,590 --> 02:55:54,720
if one thing just one

4524
02:56:00,550 --> 02:55:57,600
one whether it is uh any unexplained

4525
02:56:02,790 --> 02:56:00,560
phenomena up as as she uh has defined it

4526
02:56:06,630 --> 02:56:02,800
now i kind of like that up and up

4527
02:56:08,469 --> 02:56:06,640
if if one thing then it's all good

4528
02:56:10,150 --> 02:56:08,479
and for me

4529
02:56:12,630 --> 02:56:10,160
it's deja vu

4530
02:56:15,910 --> 02:56:12,640
if deja vu which i experience and i

4531
02:56:19,030 --> 02:56:15,920
experience it all the time if deja vu is

4532
02:56:21,990 --> 02:56:19,040
real then uh which it is

4533
02:56:23,269 --> 02:56:22,000
then then all of this that we can't

4534
02:56:26,230 --> 02:56:23,279
explain

4535
02:56:27,190 --> 02:56:26,240
is connected and is real it's the one

4536
02:56:28,950 --> 02:56:27,200
thing

4537
02:56:31,429 --> 02:56:28,960
that connects us all

4538
02:56:34,309 --> 02:56:31,439
it's it's so strange

4539
02:56:35,190 --> 02:56:34,319
but it's it's right there if if one

4540
02:56:38,230 --> 02:56:35,200
thing

4541
02:56:40,550 --> 02:56:38,240
which for me is is deja vu i've had my

4542
02:56:41,830 --> 02:56:40,560
other experiences i have i've had those

4543
02:56:45,910 --> 02:56:41,840
experiences

4544
02:56:48,230 --> 02:56:45,920
but if if if deja vu is real which it is

4545
02:56:51,030 --> 02:56:48,240
then all of this unexplained stuff that

4546
02:56:53,349 --> 02:56:51,040
we can't quite put our finger on

4547
02:56:56,469 --> 02:56:53,359
is real and is connected

4548
02:56:57,670 --> 02:56:56,479
and we do we honestly need to get to the

4549
02:57:00,950 --> 02:56:57,680
bottom of it

4550
02:57:03,910 --> 02:57:00,960
with somebody like lin ketai who

4551
02:57:05,830 --> 02:57:03,920
uh before the phoenix lights didn't have

4552
02:57:08,389 --> 02:57:05,840
these experience you know didn't have

4553
02:57:11,750 --> 02:57:08,399
that and suddenly started to put the

4554
02:57:14,389 --> 02:57:11,760
dots together and she went diligently

4555
02:57:17,110 --> 02:57:14,399
and and and uh

4556
02:57:20,389 --> 02:57:17,120
and and went forward and connect uh

4557
02:57:22,389 --> 02:57:20,399
contacted uh not only luke air force

4558
02:57:25,670 --> 02:57:22,399
base and the national guard

4559
02:57:27,750 --> 02:57:25,680
and fife symington and uh

4560
02:57:29,590 --> 02:57:27,760
the mayor of phoenix

4561
02:57:32,550 --> 02:57:29,600
and the city council

4562
02:57:34,870 --> 02:57:32,560
and she raised all of this awareness and

4563
02:57:36,309 --> 02:57:34,880
and brought it up through the media

4564
02:57:38,630 --> 02:57:36,319
and if she didn't have her foot on the

4565
02:57:40,710 --> 02:57:38,640
gas where would we be now with the

4566
02:57:42,469 --> 02:57:40,720
phoenix lights the phoenix lights was

4567
02:57:45,590 --> 02:57:42,479
witnessed by everybody

4568
02:57:48,230 --> 02:57:45,600
i unfortunately i was there

4569
02:57:49,510 --> 02:57:48,240
and i didn't see it i can't believe i'm

4570
02:57:51,750 --> 02:57:49,520
so upset

4571
02:57:53,750 --> 02:57:51,760
that that i was there that night in

4572
02:57:54,710 --> 02:57:53,760
phoenix i was there i was there that

4573
02:57:57,030 --> 02:57:54,720
week

4574
02:57:59,269 --> 02:57:57,040
and and i didn't see it but thousands

4575
02:58:00,630 --> 02:57:59,279
and thousands of people did including

4576
02:58:03,670 --> 02:58:00,640
the governor

4577
02:58:05,910 --> 02:58:03,680
this is not um some something that

4578
02:58:08,150 --> 02:58:05,920
happened was witnessed by one person

4579
02:58:11,030 --> 02:58:08,160
which is still legitimate

4580
02:58:12,950 --> 02:58:11,040
but the phoenix lights are are different

4581
02:58:14,550 --> 02:58:12,960
dino brought up and we're at the end of

4582
02:58:15,830 --> 02:58:14,560
the show and i've got a rundino brought

4583
02:58:17,830 --> 02:58:15,840
up something he said

4584
02:58:19,910 --> 02:58:17,840
uh and i think dino misunderstood that

4585
02:58:22,070 --> 02:58:19,920
there were different crap no

4586
02:58:23,830 --> 02:58:22,080
no there was the v shaped craft that

4587
02:58:26,550 --> 02:58:23,840
went from phoenix all the way down

4588
02:58:27,670 --> 02:58:26,560
across the state south across tucson and

4589
02:58:29,510 --> 02:58:27,680
further

4590
02:58:33,429 --> 02:58:29,520
that was videotaped

4591
02:58:37,190 --> 02:58:33,439
um and and that's what fife uh had seen

4592
02:58:39,349 --> 02:58:37,200
himself that was his his uh sighting

4593
02:58:40,950 --> 02:58:39,359
and that's a very consistent sighting

4594
02:58:43,269 --> 02:58:40,960
going across

4595
02:58:44,710 --> 02:58:43,279
all of suburbia out of phoenix south

4596
02:58:47,429 --> 02:58:44,720
across the state

4597
02:58:49,990 --> 02:58:47,439
it was witnessed by thousands of people

4598
02:58:52,070 --> 02:58:50,000
and lynn katai has been waving that flag

4599
02:58:54,550 --> 02:58:52,080
for a long time and i support her

4600
02:58:56,469 --> 02:58:54,560
completely thank you so much lynn great

4601
02:58:58,550 --> 02:58:56,479
show tonight tomorrow night

4602
02:59:02,870 --> 02:58:58,560
courtney brown will be with us he's got

4603
02:59:04,870 --> 02:59:02,880
his new uh new presentation on sedona

4604
02:59:07,670 --> 02:59:04,880
and the face on mars

4605
02:59:09,510 --> 02:59:07,680
i'm very excited about this always great

4606
02:59:11,670 --> 02:59:09,520
when we have courtney on with us thank

4607
02:59:13,110 --> 02:59:11,680
you linkati again

4608
02:59:15,429 --> 02:59:13,120
always great when you're on the show

4609
02:59:17,429 --> 02:59:15,439
with us thank you lynn fade to blacks

4610
02:59:19,110 --> 02:59:17,439
executive producers rita camarion shows

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produced by hilton j palm and mark d

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kovar

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lj 3 renee mark dunbar and jonas

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announcers are steve harder gene vettel

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and mark d kovar fady by dale webmaster

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is method of signaling

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music is this guy right here doug

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aldrich

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intro spaceboy spaceboymusic.com

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go get you some

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faded black is produced by kjcr for the

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game changer network

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thank you to kg r a the planets

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tomorrow night courtney brown i am your

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host jimmy church don't forget to follow

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everybody be safe

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wow